Yaakov Avinu’s sheep nigun
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November 11, 2021 9:29 am at 9:29 am #2027030porParticipant
A few years ago in a shiur from R’ Fishel Schachter, shlita, he had a chazan sing a nigun that Yaakov Avinu sang to his sheep. This is not as crazy as it sounds, this nigun had been sung by Apter Rav, ztl, who said he remembered hearing it in a previous gilgul when he was one of the sheep. It was also sung by R’ Yisroel Rizhiner, ztl. The Eshel Avraham of Buchach was so impressed with it that he had it written down in musical notation and included it in one of the volumes of his teshuvos. Does anyone remember in what shiur this was sung (or can anyone ask R’ Fishel Schachter), and can anyone find out just where this appears in the Eshel Avraham. It’s a beautiful nigun and very relevant to these parashas, and to all of Klal Yisroel.November 11, 2021 11:43 am at 11:43 am #2027122
Go to the collive web site and see Nemuoel sings Veato Amarto a Chabad song.
–– from “Kfar Chabad” Magazine:
Throughout his life, the Baal Shem Tov had a yearning to remember Yaakov Avinu’s melody. He once told his close circle of followers: “During my first incarnation, when I was a sheep in Yaakov Avinu’s flock, I used to listen to a beautiful melody, which is very pleasant for the ears and the soul. Yaakov Avinu always sang this melody when pasturing his sheep – when he could pour out his soul to his Creator – until he would hear Hashem’s voice blessing his (Yaakov Avinu’s) sheep.
“I know for a fact that Yaakov Avinu also sent this melody with his sons when they went down to Egypt, to Yosef – as it is written in the Scriptures (Breishis 43:11): ‘And Yisrael their father said to them, “If it has to be, then do this: take from the song (zimras) of the land.”’ ”
The Baal Shem Tov continued: “I merited to hear this melody only once more, which was when I happened to pass by a shepherd pasturing his sheep and singing this melody. When I heard it, I almost turned back into a sheep…”
And when the Baal Shem Tov wanted to go to the Holy Land, he said: “Perhaps I will merit one more time to hear that melody ‘from the song of the land.’ When I do, I shall learn it thoroughly until I know it so well that I will never forget it again. And when this melody will be spread out so far and wide that everybody knows it, Redemption will come to the world…November 11, 2021 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2027150
Rabbi shechter mentions that story multiple times; if you call kol halashon you should go to “previous shiurim” snd go to vayetzei, there are 5 shiurim…2 or 3 of them have this story on itNovember 11, 2021 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #2027158
At the collive web site above search for Yaakov Avinu.November 11, 2021 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #2027186anonymous JewParticipant
I’ve only one comment to make on this gilgul sheep story: BAAAHNovember 11, 2021 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #2027281
I wonder whether those rabbis who claimed to be reincarnations of sheep of Ya’akov, would have been able to describe the spots, speckles, or stripes they were decorated with.November 11, 2021 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #2027348
Jude, the apter rov was among the greatest rebbehs – your comment is not respectful. If you’re not into chasidish stories and torah, then don’t participate in discussions pertaining to itNovember 12, 2021 7:15 am at 7:15 am #2027427Shimon NodelParticipant
I heard he had a birthmark on his back where Yaakov avinu marked himNovember 12, 2021 7:28 am at 7:28 am #2027465
This is the first instance of cloning.November 13, 2021 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #2027663
Avira: Rebbisch mayses are not Torah. The Satmar Rov ztl explained once the reason for the custom of relating Chasidish stories on Motzoei Shabbos. The Gemoro says that an Am Ho’oretz won’t lie on Shabbos, so these stories can only come out when Shabbos is over.November 13, 2021 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #2027724
I’m not referring to stories passed through the grapevine; I’m referring to claims made directly by tzadikim themselves. There’s a huge difference.November 13, 2021 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #2027731
My main consternation was the use of the term “these rabbis” – the gemara says that only a certain type of person uses the phrase “הני רבנן”, and looking up what that title is will be preferable to me saying it outright.November 13, 2021 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #2027733
Also, the satmar rov didn’t refrain from saying over maysohs. His chinuch platform stresses chasidish maysos as bread and butter – they are definitely part of his Torah rubric. That being said, the satmar roc had a sharp point of view about a lot of things; he would say that a gadol batorah can still be naive. He also said that one who believes all maysos is a fool, but one who doesn’t believe in them at all is an apikores.November 14, 2021 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #2028095
Avira: Please give the exact place where the גמרא uses the term הני רבנן to mean “These rabbis”November 14, 2021 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #2028110
Sanhedrin 100a. רב פפא אמר כגון דאמר הני רבנן
Rashi: כגון דאמר הנהו רבנן. כאדם שאומר אותו ת”ח דלשון בזוי הוא זה שהיה לו לומר רבותינו שבמקום פלוני ל”א כגון דאמר הני רבנן דכשהוא מספר שום דבר מרבנן אומר הני ולשון גנאי הוא הני אבל הנהו רבנן אינו גנאNovember 15, 2021 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #2028583☕️coffee addictParticipant
Aren’t these the same sheep he gave עשו in this week’s Parsha
I would not want to be a gilgul of those sheepNovember 16, 2021 6:36 am at 6:36 am #2028829
Don’t worry Coffee addict. The Rebbe said that the birthmark was the result of Ya’akov marking him for מעשר בהמה, so not being a בעל מום חס ושלום, he must have been a קרבן.November 16, 2021 9:26 am at 9:26 am #2028894
I do not see why only Ya’akov’s sheep are zoche to be reincarnated into Rebbes. All the Ovos were shepherds. Dovid too, and he was a master musician.
If Bil’om’s donkey could be reincarnated into human form, she could tell us some interesting things about her master.November 16, 2021 9:59 am at 9:59 am #2028956Yserbius123Participant
This is the most Chassidishe thing ever and I’m loving it.November 18, 2021 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #2030566ParticipantParticipant
“If you’re not into chasidish stories and torah, then don’t participate in discussions pertaining to it”
Sort of like someone not into Modern orthodoxy not participating in those discussions…?November 18, 2021 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #2030567ParticipantParticipant
what aveira did the sheep do that he had to be misgalgeil?November 18, 2021 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #2030584☕️coffee addictParticipant
I was wondering the same thingNovember 18, 2021 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #2030618
Just to clarify, rabbi shechter in the same shiur quotes a zohar (a source for which i don’t have) that says that all the sheep had the neshomos of klal yisroel, and the ones who were lost to lavan were the yidden who would go off the derech – it wasn’t just rebbesNovember 19, 2021 7:20 am at 7:20 am #2030708Shimon NodelParticipant
That has to be misquoted or else misunderstood. That kind of sounds like predetermination. A core belief of many sects of protestant Christianity, and is kfirahNovember 19, 2021 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #2030953
Could be it works through ברירא
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