January 6, 2022 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #2048749
Today was almost the Yahrtzeit of American Democracy.
It is the Yahrtzeit of the republican party as a party that believes in America and the constitution.
On this day the Republican party decided that it is more important to pledge allegiance to Trump than to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
1) 147 Republicans voted to overturn the election results.
2) The administration of former president Trump inspired a mob of his supporters to storm the Capitol in order to force an emergency recess in the Congressional proceedings to officially certify the results of the 2020 presidential election.
3) Fox news hosts and other right wing media were directly complicit in this attempt while pretending to be journalists.
4) The world wonders if America will remain a democracy if the republicans return to the White House.
It is also the Yahrtzeit of Ashli Babbitt who was part of the mob attacking the capitol.January 6, 2022 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #2048870
Oh please 🙄January 6, 2022 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #2048881
first Tevet 23 was on Dec 27!
Furthermore, I bet this would not have entered your mind, if you wouldn’t be tuning into some news or site or paper. Please, please tell us what caused your mind dwell on that, I am really curious how this enters our community.
Also, it is a yohrtzeit of 3,000 Americans who died from Covid on that day and 1,300 who died today – 6 to 12 months after Brandon “shut down the virus”.January 6, 2022 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #2048883
Brought to you by the DailyKos.January 6, 2022 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #2048905bob hample1Participant
seriosly???? they were threatening democracy how can a bunch of angry red necks in the capitol threaten democracy??
“The world wonders if America will remain a democracy if the republicans return to the White House.”
with dems in control they have the highest inflation in 30 yrs covid is out of control with insane record breaking numbers they had a disaster retreating from Afghanistan the approval ratings are insanely low(think mid thirties) for the prez and vp .
do you really think they are doing better?
they are worse
far worseJanuary 6, 2022 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #2048958user176Participant
The defense of BLM and the woke initiatives that stem from the BLM mindset is the greatest threat to democracy that exists in this country.January 7, 2022 10:22 am at 10:22 am #2049038
Immediate use of this hysteria is to give cover for getting rid of filibuster in the Senate: 3 D- senators who actually signed a letter 5 years ago that they’ll stand by the filibuster rule now are saying that “J6 changed everything”. A professor admonishes young politicos who blame Republicans for “standing in the way of progress”, takes them through history and explains that you actually need to “blame the constitution”. He means it in a literal sense – not to explain that the youngsters are wrong, but that rather than getting rid of republicans, they need to get rid of the constitution to move forward.January 7, 2022 11:18 am at 11:18 am #2049080
In principle I’m strongly in favor of getting rid of the filibuster. Politically, I hope the Democrats fail to get rid of it (just like Trump couldn’t get rid of it). And when Republicans control all three levels of government again, the Republicans get rid of the filibuster, all while gleefully telling the Democrats that 49 out of 50 of you leftists supported getting rid of it a couple years ago so take your hypocrisy elsewhere. And then Republicans pass on party-line votes 75 years worth of Republican desired legislation, including reversing all Democrat programs since FDR.January 7, 2022 11:20 am at 11:20 am #2049081
You had a good point. But you mangled the history. It is only one year later. You forget that besides for social media banning the President, almost his entire party abandoned him until after he left office.January 7, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2049087
ujm, what is your principle? There is a clear difference here: either you trust majority and then you are in favor of pure democracy, or you want to be more conservative and create various entities and slow-down rules that require super-majorities and agreement across different geographic areas and social groups for law-making. There was even an original proposal to introduce the same in the executive (3 co-presidents representing north, middle, south). Polish seim used to have a veto system – where one member was able to block legislator and this eventually failed the country, including due to foreign (Russian) influence who could always buy off a couple of members.
So, if you are looking for a middle ground, you need to look at it empirically – did we go too far in one or another direction? Looking over 200+ years, US seems to be doing not bad comparing with peers. Looking more at the downside – US escaped a lot of social turmoil that grappled Europe and corrupted government of South America. Maybe England, Canada, and Australia have comparable success, but they can’t defend democracy in the world lately without US. Is the secret simply in speaking English and being separated y water from Europe?!January 7, 2022 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #2049101
It has been on my mind all year. I would guess that it was the most mentioned and googled date of the past twenty years.January 7, 2022 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #2049102
The BLM mindset was heavily probed by some really bright people. There was no solid take on what it is, before history ran it’s course and it became it’s own sustainied movement. So please tell us, what is the BLM mindset? And do you even try to make sense with it being a threat to democracy?January 7, 2022 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #2049107
No political party is consistent for 75 years. And sadly, the Republicans seem to find no reason to legislate when they have had the chance.January 7, 2022 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #2049108
Your little story is gobbledygook. Get the name. It could easily have been said by someone who is very pro the constitution.January 7, 2022 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #2049110
After following my prescription from my last comment, Republicans should double the size of the federal circuit courts, triple the size of the Appeals Courts and enlarge the Supreme Court to 15 members. Then fill all those hundreds of new judicial positions in quick roll-call votes in the Senate, completed all within a couple of weeks with any Democrat obstruction quickly overruled by the newly appointed Republican Senate parliamentarian.January 7, 2022 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #2049138
You seem to think that the insurrection took place long ago😜.
☺☺January 7, 2022 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #2049149
ujm > Republicans should double the size of the federal circuit courts,
note that R- are relatively restrained here (as it fits “conservatives”). It is usually D-s who break the rules/tradition, like filibuster for judges, and then R-s get one chance to retaliate. This is a losing game – both for the country as safeguards are thrown away one-by-one (who remembers now that Senators were supposed to be appointed by State legislation?) ; and also it is always advantage D-s when a next breach will occur. One of Trump’s attractions was that he is capable of fighting same level as opponents, without restricting to an honorable but losing position.January 7, 2022 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #2049155
n0 > It could easily have been said by someone who is very pro the constitution.
if you mean the professor story, I had to re-read it thrice to make sure he is saying “blame the constitution” as a call for action.January 7, 2022 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #2049154
down the memory lane – the word insurrection peaked up twice in google trends web search in last 18 years: first week of June 2020 and (3 time higher) Jan 2021. There was no interest in the word after Feb 2021. There is a little peak on Jan 4-5 of this year, 30x lower than last year, so this does not show a lot of natural interest,.
Also, if you put dates into google trends, every day has an annual peak – but September 11 has a 10 times higher peak. Jan 6 2021 has peak as high as the annual Sep 11 size. This year seems to be smaller, not finished yet.
So, no there is not much natural interest in J6.January 9, 2022 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2049470
according to google trends, this year Jan 6th interest was over by 3pm Eastern on Jan 7th and the peak was 5 times lower than Sep 11. Sounds like heavy promotion in the media did not ignite any passions and probably is finished – probably until a new revelation what kind of beer Trump was drinking while watching Fox on Jan 6th.
another trends: interest in Trump became more than in Obama in June 2015 and nobody googled Obama after Jan 2017 except him family, perhaps. Same date for Hillary. Interest in Biden overcame Trump for the first time was Jan 17, 2021 for a week and from time on, both presidents generate about the same interest.January 10, 2022 8:43 am at 8:43 am #2049839
Rememeber how the nazis ym’s came to power. They were elected in 1932 to fight the left originally Hitler ym’s appointed to Chancellor by Hindenburg.January 10, 2022 11:59 am at 11:59 am #2049877
RebE > They were elected in 1932 to fight the left
exactly. Every extreme action on the left becomes a fundraising letter on the right and vice versa. They feed off each other. That is why we need to find solutions that unite reasonable people. It does not have to be 50-50 on every issue as “no label” people suggest, but at least each should get some reasonable people from the other side. Maybe combine measures attractive to both sides – give more money to poor people, in the form of school vouchersJanuary 11, 2022 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #2050452
Thank you Ted cruz for showing us that January 6th was started by the FBI to stop Trump
This whole thing was a farceJanuary 12, 2022 9:45 am at 9:45 am #2050642
coffee addict, are you real?January 12, 2022 10:02 am at 10:02 am #2050645
Did you see the video, why couldn’t she comment on anything? If it wasn’t true say soJanuary 12, 2022 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #2050765
Coffee Addict and Bob Hample1,
The focus is not on the riot but on the unconstitutional coup by the Republican party that attempted to prevent the transfer of power to the new President.
This is what I wrote.
147 Republicans voted to overturn the election results. That was after the riot.
What if all the Republicans joined ?
After being silent for a year, Biden gave a speech on January 6th 2022. Here are his some of his remarks.
“Outnumbered and in the face of a brutal attack, the Capitol Police, the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department, the National Guard, and other brave law enforcement officials saved the rule of law.
Our democracy held. We the people endured. And we the people prevailed.
For the first time in our history, a president had not just lost an election, he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power as a violent mob breached the Capitol.”
These issues are all off topic – BLM, Inflation, Fillibuster, FBI, whataboutism, …
They have absolutely zero to do with January 6th.January 12, 2022 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #2050766
Regarding the actual riot:
More than 725 people have been arrested for storming the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, with charges ranging from obstruction of an official proceeding to assault. But at the one-year anniversary of the attempted insurrection, a significant number of rioters are still awaiting their sentencing.
Only around one-tenth of those arrested—71 individuals—have received criminal sentences, while the rest are waiting for their trials or haven’t yet reached plea agreements. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, 31 defendants were sentenced to periods of incarceration, with longer prison terms for those who engaged in violence or threats. So far, the median prison sentence for the Jan. 6 rioters is 45 days. An additional 18 rioters have been sentenced to periods of home detention, while most sentences have included fines, community service and probation for low-level offenses like illegally parading or demonstrating in the Capitol, which is a misdemeanor.January 12, 2022 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #2050775
“147 Republicans voted to overturn the election results. That was after the riot.
What if all the Republicans joined ?“
In 2016 democrats did it to trumpJanuary 12, 2022 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #2050780
No they didn’t.
Can you admit that you would be delirious with joy if Trump would have been president for the next 4 years and America would no longer be a democracy?January 12, 2022 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #2050789
Democrat Congresspeople in both the Senate and in the House certainly have voted to not recognize the Republican president who won the electoral college in election years prior to 2016.January 12, 2022 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #2050800
Even if one bad apple in FBI, Ray Epps, instigates to storm the Capitol does not mean that everyone else should follow him.January 12, 2022 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #2050807
jackk, did you have a question for me? Are you finding quotes from my posts in his speeches? (one of the speechwriters first said something himself and a week later put it into President’s mouth)January 12, 2022 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #2050822
A “bad apple” is really a “plant”
I highly doubt he acted by himselfJanuary 13, 2022 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #2051092
Stewart Rhodes — founder and leader of the extremist group Oath Keepers, whose members are accused of being key players in the Jan. 6 attack on Congress — has been indicted and arrested in connection with the riot, officials said Thursday.
He is charged with seditious conspiracy, along with 10 other Oath Keepers members or associates, officials said.January 13, 2022 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #2051162
We should stop these senseless elections where two guys are competing based on who will promise more. Sometimes, one of them has experience, but another does not. Instead, we should have try outs during last two months of the previous president (nobody is paying attention to him anymore, anyway). Each of the candidates runs the country for a month (with the current president supervising), and then we have some basis to vote.
I don’t believe Biden will get 40% of the vote right now. He will not even vote for himself, given that he said that someone responsible for 200,000 death can not be a President.January 14, 2022 11:08 am at 11:08 am #2051250
It is good that as Jews we believe that Hashem anoints Kings and Presidents , and that “Kings Heart are in his hands”.
Biden is not responsible for people not listening to the advice of the CDC. De Santis is.January 22, 2022 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #2053550
How many deaths is Trump responsible?January 22, 2022 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #2053565
Jackk do you have any statistical evidence that those who “listened to the CDC” fared any better than those in red states? NY and Florida have a similar amount of covid deaths, while Florida is one of the oldest states age-wise. The only difference between blue-red states is that those in red states didn’t lose their freedoms, their jobs, and their mental health. Lockdowns don’t work, they never did. There’s no “getting rid of covid”, we are going to have to live with covid. Simply took democrats a lot longer to figure that out. Democrats did however assist Big pharma in shutting down alternative cures such as Hydroxychloroquine.
Reb E-0. Trump promoted early medications, he didn’t shut it down.January 23, 2022 12:16 am at 12:16 am #2053574bored_teen 💕Participant
Don’t try to infuse Yiddishkeit into your sideways political views.🙄January 23, 2022 10:06 am at 10:06 am #2053688
Trump down played the virus.January 23, 2022 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #2053719
“Trump down played the virus.“
Biden and Harris downplayed the vaccine
Fauci also downplayed the virusJanuary 23, 2022 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #2053768
Reb E-Without getting into how democrats did the same thing, can you please explain how “flipping out” over the virus would have helped anything? What everyone would have started locking themselves in their house earlier? By now it’s clear that lockdowns help absolutely nothing, by locking down you are helping to stall the virus, you aren’t getting rid of it. The only things that could have helped early on is medications such as Hydroxychloroquine, but Trump suggested it was good so at all cost (the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives) it must be bad.January 23, 2022 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #2053782
> have any statistical evidence that those who “listened to the CDC” fared any better than those in red states
A recent poll shows that those who think that natural immunity is preferable to vaccine have 2-3x rate of being infected.January 23, 2022 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #2053792
jackk > Biden is not responsible for people not listening to the advice of the CDC
I am not sure. At the end of Trump’s term, vaccine reluctance was about the same by party. During Biden’s time, Republicans became more reluctant. Maybe it was supposed to be given that R-s have this large segment who do not trust any government no matter what, but surely Biden’s general ineptness and lack of credibility did not help. Remember how he claimed initially that Trump left him no vaccine stockpiled. He could have said – thanks to Trump for developing vaccines, now we will rump up production. He then dismissed the whole Op Warp team without cause, preferring to rely on his official team, and now, one year later, Dr Walensky talks about a need to re-organize the process. It is clear that Trump’s approach of developing multiple new approaches worked better.January 23, 2022 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #2053883
Aaq-“A recent poll shows that those who think that natural immunity is preferable to vaccine have 2-3x rate of being infected.”-getting infected” means nothing. I’d rather get infected and not lose my job. A statistic you might want to bring would be deaths. But regardless this is not what I’m referring to, I don’t consider getting vaccinated as CDC’s advice-its pretty much everyone’s advice. I’m referring to the lockdown measures, and I’m assuming that that’s what jackk was referring to as well.January 25, 2022 10:32 am at 10:32 am #2054484
Since you are the spokesman for the party that believes in personal responsibility, I am surprised that you will use any excuse for peoples irresponsible personal behavior. All the more so , blaming peoples mistaken characterization of Biden as an an excuse.
If people want to continue being awarded the hermancain award , and I hope they do not get the award, they cannot blame anybody but themselves. There were over 2,000 people who died from Covid in America yesterday.
“Remember how he claimed initially that Trump left him no vaccine stockpiled.” No, I don’t remember. Please provide proof.
“He could have said – thanks to Trump for developing vaccines, now we will rump up production.”
He did say that.
“Let me be clear. Thanks to the prior administration and our scientific community, America was one of the first countries to get the vaccine,” Biden said. “Thanks to my administration and the hard work of Americans, we led a roll out, made America among the world leaders in getting shots in arms.”
The words “Trump” and “making things work better” should never be in the same sentence.January 26, 2022 1:55 am at 1:55 am #2054770
Correction: yohrtzeit of Jan 6th was declared a long weekend off already (evening of Dec 25/morning of 26th Sunday)January 26, 2022 1:56 am at 1:56 am #2054751
TVOP > I’d rather get infected and not lose my job. A statistic you might want to bring would be deaths.
I know this would be better number. I do not work for either CDC or KGB. This was from the phone opinion survey, and those of your interest are hard to reach that way, unfortunately. Deaths would be proportional to infections only if age distribution were similar, and we do not know that. Still, this one variable was the most predictive of everything else they cited. Tzarich yiun.
Re: lockdowns. Good question. I think initial lockdown was justified by the fear of unknown. It was clearly something extra-ordinary. There were no tools to measure anything. There was also initial hope that lockdowns will prevent entry into the country. Note that AU, NZ, and some other islands used lockdowns successfully. As to reduced mobility and SD overall, it continues helping. This not only shows up in cases, but also in severity. There is some research that confirms the obvious – the more people are exposed initially, the more severe the disease is. If that is true then short exposures give immunity at small risk, while longer ones carry more risk. So, any kind of caution matters. It is literally as Rambam says – imagine the world being 50% on a good side, and your one decision matters (a difference between exponential propagation factor R0 being 0.99 and 1.01 – same as difference between a nuclear reactor and Chernobyl).
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