March 24, 2013 2:14 am at 2:14 am #608745
A Jew who doesn’t keep Shabbos makes his own wine. Can he drink it?March 24, 2013 2:27 am at 2:27 am #941185
What would the ??? be?March 24, 2013 2:39 am at 2:39 am #941186
Machlokes Haposkim. Many hold yes for a few reasons. Some do hold that he can’t.March 24, 2013 2:46 am at 2:46 am #941187kwaikerMember
What are the reasons cited by some who hold he can?March 24, 2013 3:29 am at 3:29 am #941188
kwaiker- I don’t understand the reason why he cannot drink it. What would the ??? be? He knows everything he did with it- unless he has no ?????? to believe himself?!?
weird q altogetherMarch 24, 2013 3:35 am at 3:35 am #941189popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Sam: What if he is a mumar l’hachiis for a davar echod, and that davar echod is that he drinks yayin nessech.
Can he drink his own wine?March 24, 2013 3:42 am at 3:42 am #941190fkellyMember
If he doesn’t keep shabbos then he most probably isn’t worried about drinking yayin nesech.March 24, 2013 3:48 am at 3:48 am #941191
fkelly- the question be, does he get an extra Aveira for it.March 24, 2013 4:29 am at 4:29 am #941192Rav TuvParticipant
it would be stam yaynom…not yayin nesech.
Edited.March 24, 2013 4:46 am at 4:46 am #941193
Talmud: Part of this Machlokes is whether someone without Ne’emanus has Ne’emanus for themselves.
This Shaila is very Nogea L’ma’aseh at the Seder, by the way. If you have a guest who is a Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesia, can you pour him a glass of non-Mevushal wine or is it Lifnei Iver because he will touch it before drinking it?March 24, 2013 5:36 am at 5:36 am #941194
Sam2- where is this machlokes? never learnt Nazir.March 24, 2013 6:15 am at 6:15 am #941195
So what is the answer? This is halacha l’maaseh btw (although since it seems to be such a machlokes, I’m going to have to call a Rav about it…)March 24, 2013 6:18 am at 6:18 am #941196
Talmud: Start with the Nosei Keilim (I don’t think it’s any major ones) by Bishul Akum and whether that applies to a Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesia. I think it begins to be referenced around there. I don’t recall who says what off the top of my head.March 24, 2013 6:20 am at 6:20 am #941197
t613: How is it actually L’ma’aseh? Unless you plan on having a Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesia at your Seder table and plan on serving non-Mevushal wine, in which case ask your Rav. Or just buy Mevushal.March 24, 2013 6:35 am at 6:35 am #941198
Your parents make their own wine for Pesach use. My partner in Torah came up with this question.March 24, 2013 6:38 am at 6:38 am #941199kwaikerMember
How is it lmaaisa? Her parents are mechallel Shabbos? Even so, she cannot do anything to stop her parents from drinking their wine. So where’s the lmaaisa?March 24, 2013 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #941200ChachamParticipant
I once heard that when REb Elchonon was in America someone told him he works on shabbos but lmaaseh he doesn’t trust anybody in americas shchita so he wanted to shecht his own meat. HE asked if the psul of the shechita of a mechalel shabbos is a psul in neemanus or a psul in the chalois shechita.March 24, 2013 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #941201
Kwa – Say they are at the Seder. And they make their own wine just for Pesach.March 28, 2013 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #941202
The psak I got was to not tell her it could be a problem.
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