January 29, 2019 8:34 am at 8:34 am #1670339ChulenterRovParticipant
My son has been in a very good yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel for almost 2 years now, and I’ve started to notice a concerning trend about him. In many of the sentences he says over the phone, he’ll throw in phrases such as “kol tov” or “do you mochel me” in a way that doesn’t really fit the context. Sometimes it’ll be every other sentence! Should I be concerned my son is picking up all these phrases in yeshiva and incorporating them into his speech? Does this mean anything?January 29, 2019 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1670553☕️coffee addictParticipant
Winter break isn’t over yet?
Bored soulsJanuary 29, 2019 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1670625funnyboneParticipant
You should be concerned if you are anti Israeli-American Yeshivishkeit.January 29, 2019 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1670646ZionGateParticipant
So the doc on Ave. J sends regards.
His business card reads : Dr. Youseff D.Y. Abu-laffia.
Hours are : 9-6 , Mon-Thurs.
We here, be your references.January 29, 2019 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1670669Non PoliticalParticipant
Mindless peer parotting is a symptom of immaturity / low self esteem. Though the heavy emphasis in some places on conformity exacerbates the problem.January 29, 2019 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1670673TalmidchochomParticipant
Get him out of that yeshiva.January 29, 2019 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1670752apushatayidParticipant
What is he smoking?January 29, 2019 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #16707441Participant
If he says “Whut” every few minutes, it’s time to switch yeshivasJanuary 29, 2019 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #1670746
The phrase Kol tov is not all that uncommon in casual conversatios in EY. However, I’m not sure what the “do you mochel me ” stuff is all about and seems very odd even in a yeshivish context. What may he have done to you that warrants repeated requests for mechilah?January 29, 2019 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1670826knaidlachParticipant
have a talk with his rebbi. dorm counselor.January 29, 2019 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1670829👑RebYidd23Participant
This could be serious. The only way to know is to present him with a gift-wrapped grammar handbook.January 30, 2019 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1670842Avi KParticipant
It is normal for people to change the way they speak after immersing in another environment. I even knew someone who developed a Texas accent after moving to there from NY. For examples, English-speakers who live in Israel say “I’m going to the makkolet” rather than “I’m going to the grocery store”. Would you rather he learn nibbul peh?
I also do not understand why “do you mochel me” would be out of context. Are you the unforgiving type?January 30, 2019 8:18 am at 8:18 am #1670891laughingParticipant
Don’t be concerned. This way everyone will know he is yeshivish. Even people on the phone who can not see that he is wearing the frum uniform.January 30, 2019 9:07 am at 9:07 am #1670904aymdockParticipant
And I know many children who were 8 years old when they moved from E”Y to the USA that they totally forgot all of their Hebrew and only spoke in proper English. A shanda! Misken!
It happens to everyone, Jews and non-Jews.. You just pick up what’s around you being immersed in a language. I’m sure the Chinese parents were horrified that their children refused to speak Chinese at home when they came back from school daily.January 30, 2019 11:56 am at 11:56 am #1671006
Avi K: Would you explain the frequent use of the “do you mochel me” idiom??? In what context does it make sense in casual conversation? thanksJanuary 30, 2019 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1671010☕️coffee addictParticipant
I know kids that talk to their parents in English even though they both speak SpanishJanuary 30, 2019 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #16710171Participant
GH, when was the last time you’ve been to Israel? Maybe some American flipouts in Israel say “kol tuv” frequently, but Israelis don’t.January 30, 2019 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1671054WinnieThePoohParticipant
practically every phone conversation I have with a frum Hebrew speaker ends in Kol Tuv. And also some Americans.January 30, 2019 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1671049Avi KParticipant
Dor, when a person frequently offends his interlocutor.
1, as a matter of fact there is a caterer in Haifa called כל טוב. There is also a duet called האחים כלטוב.January 30, 2019 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1671061👑RebYidd23Participant
Is that normal (do you mochel me)?January 30, 2019 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1671092casperParticipant
I don’t see that as a problem. That kind of slang is common with every adolescent child in school, regardless of the religion, language, or even generation.January 30, 2019 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #1671111Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
Some yeshivish guys hear of an idea that when you want to get forgiveness from someone, it’s not enough for it to just be b’libo; they actually have to declare that they’re mochel you out loud.
I don’t know of any mainstream community that accepts this as a m’akev din. I think it’s just another yeshiva bocher shtick.January 30, 2019 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #1671116
I’ve been to EY frequently (both business and vacation) and I’ve heard “Kol Tov” expression quite frequently as well as in telephone conversations. Its the “mochel me” line that I have NOT heard and was asking about.January 30, 2019 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1671284Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
“That kind of slang is common with every adolescent child in school, regardless of the religion, language, or even generation.”
Yeah, I was just reading Kipling about life in British-controlled India. The Hindus and Muhammadans had a big machlokes on whether to pronounce it “kol tov,” or “kol tuv,” but they said they were mochel each other in the end.
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