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ZD,
Yeshivas in the past were also at least as dependent on contributions. Many more parents could not pay tuition.
As far as well of frum Jews, Boruch hashem there are number of chareidi billionaires who are very philanthropic and support yeshivas, kollelim and other causes. In amounts that you are probably unwilling to fathom. Your unawareness is only an indication of your lack of knowledge and nothing to do with reality.
nishtdayngesheft – I agree with you that the Yeshivos will not falter. Worst case, we will have to redirect some of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on cruises, weekends and Pesach in China towards Yeshivos, and it will be done.
I’m much more concerned how the mindset of being takers has affected and will continue to affect our society as a whole.
We see what has happened to other societies when they became permanent takers.
Already, the need to cozy up to politicians who disagree with our core beliefs for the sake of money has corrupted us as a people.
Already, the need for support and the brainwashing of girls that marrying and long term support of Kollel is their only way to mean anything in life as caused multiple “crises”, as well as a “middos crisis” from the boys.
We are a very different nation than we were 30, and even 20 years ago. I don’t know what we will look like in another 20 years, but I certainly the RBSO brings Moshiach by that time. Even more so, I hope Moshiach is not rejected because he doesn’t hold of the Chumrah of the Month.
End Rant.
we will have to redirect some of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on cruises, weekends and Pesach in China towards Yeshivos, and it will be done.
I would like to know how you can force people to stop spending money on vacations that you deem execessive to give the money to yeshivas?
Are we going to stop people from spending money on Expensive Cars?
And if you dont think thats enough, what about expensive houses? Just drive down Bedford Ave Area and see multi-million dollar houses…Are we going to stop the building of these fancy McMansions?
Families in my neighborhood would love to be able to spend only $1,600/month on yeshiva tuition for two kids.
‘however the problems of being “different” in a public school should not be underestimated.’
This is a bigger problem today than a generation or two ago because more frum kids went to public schools back then. There were also more after school talmud torahs.
“That’s not to say that it’s inexpensive to educate non-disabled kids… but it’s not $20K either.”
Just looked up per student expenses in NYC. As of 2014 the average cost per student in NYC was $18,623. But for special ed students it was $45,796 per student. For non-special ed students overall it was $15,039 and at Bronx High School of Science, one of the best high schools in the United States, it was $12,315.
The union bashing is not helpful. Catholic schools in the New York area are almost entirely unionized and yet their tuitions are generally lower.
I picked an ordinary Catholic high school near me, Sacred Heart High School in Yonkers. Current tuition is $8,500/year. By comparison, the Yeshiva University High School for Boys charges $24,590/year plus some mandatory fees.
“We need more kollel yungerleit, not more baalei batim.”
And who will pay the yeshiva tuition for the children of the kollel learners?
Charlie: Kollel yungerleit represent less than 1% of the Orthodox Jewish population. So the other 99+% can certainly subsidize the <1% of people devoted to full-time Limud Torah HaKedosha.
In response to the OP.
Even if his kids went to public school he couldn’t afford a house Brooklyn. He would save 16k a year. Assuming a house in Brooklyn is at least 750k (probably much more in reality) with a down payment of 150k, it would take over 9 years to save up for a down payment using tuition savings. Even if he had some money saved up already it would still take a while.
I am unsure if tuition is the problem that he needs to address.
That being said I do not want to be insensitive to anyone who is struggling to pay tuition and I do recognize that it is a tremendous expense for a jewish family.
Just drive down Bedford Ave Area
I’ve been to Bedford Ave. in Brooklyn for a Chassunah and don’t remember seeing anything like that. Mostly small apartment buildings, IIRC.
I would like to know how you can force people to stop spending money on vacations that you deem execessive to give the money to yeshivas?
No one will force anyone. Once the schools send out notices that they are closing, people will prioritize spending (in exchange for control of the school from the principal), and the school will not close.
I picked an ordinary Catholic high school near me, Sacred Heart High School in Yonkers. Current tuition is $8,500/year. By comparison, the Yeshiva University High School for Boys charges $24,590/year plus some mandatory fees.
Are you not aware that the church subsidizes catholic schools? Really? You didn’t know that?
Very strange oversight.
Charliehall….
Catholic High Schools receive support from the diocese and other parishes that do not maintain schools. Our local Catholic High School charges $14,450 tuition (which is right in line with what our town spends on public school students).
One of the biggest differences in funding the church and its agencies and Jewish institutions is that: When goyim go to church on Sunday they are expected to be carrying money and place it in the collection baskets/envelopes. When most Jews attend shul (Shabbos/Yuntif) it is assur to carry money and only pledges may be collected.
Because Catholic churches and schools are under the authority of a Diocese, failing institutions may be ordered to merge or close. There is no central Jewish authority telling under enrolled yeshivas or shuls that they must merge for economy reasons. Also, There does not exist the doctrinal differences that make so many flavors of Yeshivos desirable.
gavra: Bedford Avenue cuts through a wide swatch of Brooklyn, including Williamsburg (where you were for the chasuna and has low key housing), Crown Heights, Flatbush and Midwood (where the fancier parts are.)
I’ve been to Bedford Ave. in Brooklyn for a Chassunah and don’t remember seeing anything like that. Mostly small apartment buildings, IIRC.
Not Bedford Ave around the BQE in Williamsburg. Bedford Ave Around Ave J in Flatbush. Almost every single house is a knockdown and a McMansion
Joseph, zahavasdad – Thanks. I don’t see it on Google Maps (I did see Gil Hodges school), but will take your word for it.
If you do a google maps for Bedford Ave and Avenue J you will see a sampling of the fancy houses. It doesnt even look like Brooklyn. Its very residential
Karl, Hashem only reimburses where a person has a business which naturally has ups and downs (Aruhc HaShulchan OC 242,44):
You make B”H $140k american dollars and you’re complaining? Wow. I haven’t made that in 6yrs! I don’t even have children to teach my knowledge to and you’re displeased!
Ok… Rather than berate you I’ll give you some advice.
120yrs after you die you will be brought back to the Court and asked whether you gave your children a Torah education.
Decide now whether you want to ace that exam or keep whinging.
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