Yeshivas in Israel

Before you consider a yeshiva in Israel, my 2 grandsons, who were there this winter till Pesach, negotiated with their Landlord for the spring-z’man and paid for their rooms. Last week upon returning, they found their rooms locked, and in one case, the yeshiva, told him that there is NO ROOM FOR HIM in the Beis Hamedresh, this after negotiating with the parents & taking a deposit.
NO WONDER SO MANY BOYS GO O.T.D! This is a “HIMMEL GESHRAY! Beware! There are plenty of American out-of-town yeshivas worth exploring.

The best Yeshivas are in ISRAEL.
Everything in ISRAEL is better than חוץ לארץ

moti134:

I think I have אהבת ארץ ישראל to a large degree. I am among those who thinks about it often, concentrate on many references to it in davening and birchas hamazon, etc. So I am not in any way minimizing קדושת הארץ by my comment that follows.

I consider your statement somewhere close to moronic, as it misses the point greatly. You see, the matching of a bochur to a yeshiva is quite similar to a shidduch of a prospective chosson and kallah. The location is irrelevant, and the principal (not the academic one) is what really matters. Someone who is born and bred in E”Y might have his/her shidduch in חוץ לארץ. The בת קול called out names, not addresses.

Every bochur carries a profile of assets and liabilities, a unique combination of traits, history, tendencies, and dynamics that will do best in certain yeshivos while faring poorly in others. But not every bochur belongs going to yeshiva that is a great distance from home. For some, it is great. For others it is a fatal mistake.

Generalizations will not accomplish much when applied to the exclusion of full consideration of matching the bochur to the yeshiva.

Harris101 you are right.
I didn’t mean that every bochur have to study in ISRAEL.
But those who can, we have here in ISRAEL, yeshivos of all kinds.

Yeshiva Toras Chaim

Maybe Tomo

Harris101: Two of my cousins attended the yeshiva as well as others from my shul. I don’t have any personal knowledge other then how I see these bochurim daven and learn. One bachur went to EY as a “brooding” teenager to come back to Chutz Laretz a smiling ben torah.

What specifically would you like to know?

Its a serious place,but at the same time the guys are very normal . As I mentioned before the Rebbeim are real talmidei chachamim who give over a real mehalach in learning. The yeshiva is a big mix of guys,coming from America,and European countries. The yeshiva also has many transfers from other yeshivas who decided they wanted a more serious learning environment.

Kerem B’yavneh. Far and above the best yeshivah for American guys in Israel. at least for Shana Aleph.

“If he’s not on the level of the mir maybe one of the brisker yeshivos like reb avraham yehoshua or reb dovid (maybe reb tzvi) will be good for him.”

Huh??

@Me12345- How could you possibly say it’s the best Yeshiva given the rest of your comment. Are you even being serious? The better guys by R’ Asher are great, but the average guy in the Mir doesn’t hold a candle to an average Brisker bochur. Trust me, I learnt in one of the Brisker yeshivos, and spoke in learning many times with guys in the Mir. There is no comparison.

@Halachayid- Why would you say that over Brisk, etc.?

KBY is vaiter more modernish/harry-ish/mizrachi-ish, though it is a great place for serious guys that fit there.

@Toi
I figured you went to a brisk yeshiva that’s what a lot of them think. I’m not putting down brisker yeshivos, but the Mir is a real mokom Torah and there is a lot of opportunity to grow, lot s of shiurim in mussur and hashkafa that you don’t get in the brisker yishivos,( there is a reason why a lot of guys from brisk come to Rabbi Elefant’s alei shur vaad) and yes there are a lot of guys in the mir that are wasting their time, but there are plenty of brisk guys wasting their time (in a more yeshivishe oifen) but as I said for a guy that takes his learning seriously I think the Mir is the best place, unless your specifically looking to be a brisker.

Halachayid- I’m not knocking the things the Mir has to offer. There are more guys in the Mir wasting their time, in a less yeshivishe oifen, and being in a brisker yeshiva and becoming a brisker are not at all synonymous. The mehalach halimud is incomparable; a good guy in brisk will take apart a good guy in the Mir anytime. I’m not saying they’re not good yeshivaleit, I’m saying the darga in learning cannot be compared. I have friends in the ‘elite’ chaburas in Mir, over 30, have been there for 10+ years, are very smart and serious, and just aren’t as good in learning as their counterparts in brisker yeshivos. I don’t think anyone who knows the matzav will question this. The really, really good guys by R Asher are usually ex-brisker chevra, and I know some of the best guys from R Asher that went on to learn in brisker yeshivas after having finished the whole machzor by him, and admit there’s no comparison in mehalach. If you’re looking to learn how to learn, besides shteiging in ruchnius, a brisker place will best afford you that opportunity. That said, almost no-one can be compared to R Asher- I heard chazara shiur from him for a week when my kollel learnt the same mesechta as the Mir, and I was poshut blown away. Also, it should be noted that Brisk wasn’t shtelled aveck for mussar, rather mostly for learning, and a bit of hashkafa (if you call RAY’s chumash shiur hashkafa, but that’s a whole ‘nother animal).

Toi

I myself learnt in brisk and then the mir and u might b right that most of the top guys from the good yeshivos in america go to brisk but the biggest masmidim r in the not! If u wanna be part of a yeshiva for sure don’t go to brisk. Ull end up In achva down the block and if u don’t go with a group if guys ur finished. In the mir each shiur has a core group of guys that are really serious and they’re much bigger masmidim then the briskers. Of the 300 American bachurim by reb Asher there are 200 of them that can hold there own with any bachur in brisk (although idk y were trying to make it a competition)!

Senters guys come in not interested in learning and a lot of times to cool to be in mir or just more 5 towns type who just never went to yeshivish yeshivas AND LEAVE the Yeshiva really frum learning guys that will send their kids to Yeshvish yeshivas because they just found themselves and what’s makes them happy in life.

All my friends that were in centers always said they live it thier and I saw transformation in so many of them if they wanted to find themselves.

I have to admit I was jealous back then sometimes how a lot of them just seemed so happy because they were learning a ton and found the right balence of fun to help them grown.

I have friends that wanted to bad and they did bad inventers to Isreal in general depends on what the guy wants to do with his life that’s why it’s very scary to send guys who haven’t realized it’s time to see what I’m about as a person and what I believe in.

But yet again a lot of bochrim know thier doing what’s wrong just want to have fun and when they have become a man they do the all depends on personality alot