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At what point would it be appropriate for one to learn half a day and work half a day? I’m asking for both married and single yeshiva guys. Also, I mean a professional position, not shlepping boxes.
And what are you assuming? Do you mean after college or kollel or both?
As soon as you are engaged you should make plans on how you will provide for your wife and i”yh your family, learning in kollel is a wonderful thing but a man has to be responsible to his future wife a person can still be an ehrliche yid even if he works 12 hours a day, a person who is old enough to marry is old enough to support himself without parental or in law assistance.
When exactly did work become a four letter word?
It would be appropriate as soon as the person in question has an interest in doing it.
i agree with velz…. there is no set time! if the wife wants to work so her husband can learn thats amazing.. if hes really learning. if the man/boy wants to work its a different story. no one should be forced to do something bec society calls for it
From a girls perspective, I say once you are 25 you should have at least a certificate in sonething useful work full time and continue to have a steady chavrusa in addition to learning daf yomi every morning. It could be a job as a nurses assistant or something like that.
You should ask YOUR Rebbe this question. I’m assuming you have one. If you don’t then go get one. This is a question one needs to ask his personal Rebbe who can guide him with what would be best for him in his situation. There’s no one size fits all answer to this question. Or to most if not all of life’s questions for that matter. That’swhy it is so so important to have a wise and trusted Rebbe that one can turn to to discuss important life decisions and issues.
From a different girl’s perspective: as soon as you have finished getting whatever degrees you need and are thinking about getting married/having a family that will need support.
so as we see from the difference in my opinion and Vogue’s, it depends on what community you live in/what kind of girl you want to marry (if that is shayach)
“At what point would it be appropriate for one to learn half a day and work half a day?”
Appropriate for whom and for what reason?
Appropriate to become a self sufficient adult?
Appropriate to support oneself?
Appropriate to support one’s family?
Appropriate for appearances sake for others?
When you can answer those questions honestly, you’ll know what to do.
“At what point would it be appropriate for one to learn half a day and work half a day?”
Appropriate for whom and for what reason?
Once you answer that it should answer all
As soon as I believe such a professional position exists.
Entry level professional positions don’t exist, and certainly without a relevant education.
FriendInFlatbush
“For the reason of doing something productive while still learning”
Not to knock you but learning is productive and you should feel that you are doing something productive when you learn. If you don’t feel that way maybe you aren’t covering enough ground or learning enough of the material that would be most relevant to you.
Once you are financially comfortable enough that you (and your children) are not a burden on society/others then it is appropriate to learn half a day and work half a day
Not everyone can afford to support a husband in kollel and not every woman has the money for a bachelor degree handed to her by her parents… you also need to have a realistic picture. I would love to marry the next gadol hador, but talmidei chachamim are halachically not obligated to do housework and often the families of talmidei chachomim live in poverty, I am not ready to take an oath of poverty by marrying someone in kollel. Nor will I be. My community actually encourages us to marry men in kollel, but I also have to be realistic.
FriendInFlatbush: It seems that the person you are referring to is trying to get validity to stop learning full time. Well let me bring to your attention that not every girl is cut out for a full time learner. Not every girl wants to depend on others to live. Having a job on the side or soem sort of degree in yoru back pocket is very important. There is nothing wrong with that. When i was dating, more than just someone learning, I wanted someone who is koveiah ittim. Not just a bench warmer. If that person was someone who worked half a day or in the evenings, thats fine. Everyone is different and has different circumstances. There is definitly nothing wrong with working part time. If you or the person you are referring to has a concern that his learning may be affected negatively, then maybe he should ask his rosh hayeshiva or a rebbe he’s close to.
The Goq, Veltz Meshugener, WIY, agittayid: +1!
keepitcoming: exactly! no one should do something because society says so.
sem613: it shouldnt depend on the community you live in. It should depend on the boy himself. If working part time and being koveiah ittim part time works for him, imho, i think it’s more important than a ‘whole day bench warmer’.
ubiquitin: Interesting that you tok a different approach then just about everyone else! Good one!
While we’re at it, what about the stigmatizing that comes from the MO/DL left (even if one doesn’t associate too much, they do associate in the yeshiva world) that comes along with dedicating one’s life to learning Hashem’s Torah?
Both learning and working lifestyles are perfectly compatible with avodas Hashem; nobody should be delegitimizing either.
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