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  • #1877550
    outtattowner
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    Im a bochur from way out-of-town going to Beis Medrash next year in a in town place. Is there specific brands or types of clothing that in town bochurim wear?

    #1877560
    Joseph
    Participant

    It’s very simple: white shirt, black pants, black socks, black shoes, black jacket, black hat.

    That’s it. No brands are necessary.

    Just make sure your hair is short.

    #1877564
    Phil
    Participant

    OOT,

    You really shouldn’t be soliciting advice from websites and putting yourself at risk of being trolled by people who are ignorant of what goes on in yeshiva. Speak to a friend who knows the clothing standard for the yeshiva you’ll be attending. You may hail from Podunk and that’s not a bad thing but you don’t necessarily want to make it obvious to everyone who meets you for the first time by appearing different.

    #1877588
    rational
    Participant

    I agree with the above posters. A yeshiva boy should dress like a yeshiva boy, no ifs, ands, or buts. Once that is accomplished, you can do whatever you want. Your clothes provide the ultimate cover, tartei mashma.

    #1877606
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Outtatowner,

    If you’re not a troll (which for now I’m assuming you’re not)

    You need to be specific what Yeshiva you’re going to

    A yeshiva like ohr hachaim (or chofetz chaim) will have colored shirts

    A yeshiva like Chaim Berlin won’t

    If the Yeshiva has a dress code they probably will tell you beforehand

    A yeshiva

    #1877610
    asimpleyid
    Participant

    @rational
    how exactly did you get that from any of these posts…..

    #1877658
    intownbochur
    Participant

    Depends what Yeshiva you are going to and what you can spend but here are the essentials. Charles Tyrwhitt shirts (usually 3/$99) extra slim fit with cutaway collar are the most popular. Black Cole haan zerogrands are a very popular pair of shoes (usually $100-$150 on Amazon/Zappos possible to get for even less on a good sale. For pants, if you want to splurge you can get Lululemon abc pants ($128) or you can look at Zara or H&M for much more affordable slim dress/stretch pants ($35+) you can also try hatbox or emporio if your going to a more yeshivish place
    Socks really depend on what yeshiva, either black or nice patterns, but dont get anything too bright because it looks stupid

    Borsalino hats are obviously the most popular, their lowest end hat (also the most durable) goes for $195 last I checked at the borsalino store on ave J.
    For davening jacket you want to get a nice blazer not just your old shabbos jacket, maybe try Emporio.
    For shabbos you want a nice suit, if you don’t have one you might want to try The Suit Lady in Teaneck, all suits are $300, make sure to find a good tailor. Shabbos shoes are a must, leave the shabbos sneakers in Baltimore
    Btw don’t listen to Joseph, he has no idea what hes talking about. He probably graduated from torah vodaas class of 1970. If you dress like your from Detroit or Cleveland everyone will treat you like your from there. Welcome to New York/Lakewood

    #1877648
    intownbochur
    Participant

    Depends what Yeshiva you are going to and what you can spend but here are the essentials. Charles Tyrwhitt shirts (usually 3/$99) extra slim fit with cutaway collar are the most popular. Black Cole haan zerogrands are a very popular pair of shoes (usually $100-$150 on Amazon/Zappos possible to get for even less on a good sale. For pants, if you want to splurge you can get Lululemon abc pants ($128) or you can look at Zara or H&M for much more affordable slim dress/stretch pants ($35+) you can also try hatbox or emporio if your going to a more yeshivish place
    Socks really depend on what yeshiva, either black or nice patterns, but dont get anything too bright because it looks stupid

    Borsalino hats are obviously the most popular, their lowest end hat (also the most durable) goes for $195 last I checked at the borsalino store on ave J.
    For davening jacket you want to get a nice blazer not just your old shabbos jacket, maybe try Emporio.
    For shabbos you want a nice suit, if you don’t have one you might want to try The Suit Lady in Teaneck, all suits are $300, make sure to find a good tailor. Shabbos shoes are a must, leave the shabbos sneakers in Baltimore
    Btw don’t listen to Joseph, he has no idea what hes talking about. He probably graduated from torah vodaas class of 1970. edited

    Welcome to New York

    #1877665
    Joseph
    Participant

    intown: No one will notice the difference between a Charles Tyrwhitt shirt or a $10/$15 white shirt. Same with the shoes.

    #1877668
    intownbochur
    Participant

    @Joseph blue, black, or grey jackets and pants are definitely fine in most yeshivas, maybe not chaim berlin or R Mottel Dick

    #1877655
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Outta,
    In some yeshivos, there is an emphasis on type of hat or glasses etc. It is a problem if you are heading to such a yeshiva and are totally oblivious. If you are confident about yourself, than where what you want (In accordance with Joseph’s and Coffee’s advice.) and you will be fine.

    #1877678
    Joseph
    Participant

    intown: Do you think grey/blue pants would work in the Beis Medrash of BMG, Mir, Beis HaTalmud, Torah Vodass, Torah Temimah, etc.?

    #1877682

    coffee addict: some chofetz chayim branches have gone white shirt

    #1877683
    intownbochur
    Participant

    Apikorus joseph wants outatowner not to look fresh on his first day in his new Yeshiva

    #1877711
    intownbochur
    Participant

    Joseph: im not sure if you missed the memo but beis hatalmud expired 40 years ago. And yes, dark grey or blue pants are totally normal in mir, torah temima bmg and torah vodaas #boomer

    #1877714
    5th Dimension
    Participant

    @OOT is splitting his sides…
    He is A TROLL !!!!
    CMON peoples !

    #1877716
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Do you recall a well known cartoon of a flock of thousands of penguins and in the middle, there is one wearing a red bowtie with a balloon coming up showing the lyrics of him singing that famous Domo Wilson anthem “I wanna be MEEEE!!!!”. You can follow the advice above and avoid something as obvious as the red bowtie but still have some individuality that will not call excessive attention to your lvush. Don’t feel you have to be 100 percent conforming if there some small touch you want to bring to your appearance.

    Much hatzlacha in your studies and don’t let anyone denigrate your OOOT roots.

    #1877727
    mik5
    Participant

    Yes, some wear dark blue or dark grey suits in Mir Yeshiva.

    #1877759
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “If you’re not a troll (which for now I’m assuming you’re not)

    You know what happens when you assume……

    Now my answer is “trolls wear clothes?

    #1877831
    The little I know
    Participant

    GH:

    I am afraid your advice of trying to keep something that is individual is risky. Yeshivos have been competing on levush for years now, and their dress codes are frequently cited as their identity or their status in contrast to other yeshivos. I am an anomaly that I conform to others, but consider the entire subject of levush a cruel joke. No, it should not be. One’s externals can impact positively on the internal. But is sadly does not as much as it once did. I suggest that my making rules, codes, and standards out of levush, the chashivus and its effects were tripped of it.

    It might be interesting to check some of the biographies of Gedolim of yesteryear. The talmidim in several of the yeshivos in Litta would be expelled for entering today’s yeshivos with their garb. Even among the chassidishe kehilos, the levush was far from standard. I believe many of us here have experienced Yidden who are truly spiritual who lack the rigors of the yeshivish levush, as well as the opposite.

    Don’t judge a book by its cover. Nor a bochur by his levush.

    #1877925
    huju
    Participant

    Brooks Brothers – you can’t miss.

    #1878096
    catch yourself
    Participant

    In response to asimpleyid

    Some people never miss an opportunity to denigrate “Others”. They are best ignored, unless there is a danger that their poison will infect the innocent.

    #1878144
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “Don’t judge a book by its cover. Nor a bochur by his levush.”

    Nor a troll by the implicit seriousness of the question or the absurdities of the responses. Ode to penguins.

    #1878655
    VHere Rebbe
    Participant

    It’s simply appalling to see what we have come to. Go back 30, 40 years ago and no one would have thought to make impose such mishugas upon any bochur. Instructing him to buy specific brands of shirts, fancy davening jacket, only white shirts etc. It used to be that a bochur would learn in Yeshiva. No peer pressure for him to put on the pretty clothing from neither the rebbeim or other buchrim). So what if your shirt was blue?! Does that means you can’t learn Torah?! That you’re a apikores?! Chas V’Shalom!

    Listen, wear something mentlich and you’ll be fine. I’ll go against what i just said and say wear the white shirt so as not to get yourself kicked out of Yeshiva. (Which is completely ridiculous if you think about it. I can get kicked out of Yeshiva for wearing a blue shirt!) But don’t for a second think that this is what defines you. Be it your watch or your tie, the color of your shirt or the brand, none of that defines who you are. You are no less of a Tzaddik then any other yid. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. You have a Yiddisheh Neshama and are going to learn in Yeshiva. Nothing else!

    Honestly the yeshiva world has a lot to answer for. Perhaps some of you would like to enlighten me?

    #1878805
    Ayiddishekup
    Participant

    Vhere rebbe would you say the same in a non Jewish school which has a dress code or a black tie event to wear jeans and a t-shirt? There’s no inherent problem with a blue shirt over white but if you choose the blue in a white environment then chances are you are the type of person that will have different conflicts with the yeshiva so they don’t want you.

    #1878951
    VHere Rebbe
    Participant

    My point was very clearly not saying to wear whatever you want in Yeshiva. In fact I actually recommended to wear a white shirt so as to comply with the Yeshivas dress code. My comments were towards the Yeshiva system and not this bochur. The fact that the Yeshivos are run with a such an emphasis on clothing as a whole is rediculous. If they require a bochur to dress mentlich, gezunteh heit. But holding a bochur to extremes as the “white shirt syndrome” is ridiculous.

    In regards to other private schools with uniforms. As I stated above, I never said to go against the dress code, I was commenting on the rather outrageous dress codes of certain Yeshivos.

    Food for thought. The Yeshiva system is more focused on wearing a white shirt (some invented chumra) then teaching Bochurim the importance of the “Hadras Ponim Zokon” A mitzvah Dioiraissa!

    #1879003
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “Which is completely ridiculous if you think about it. I can get kicked out of Yeshiva for wearing a blue shirt!”
    that is a mighty simplistic, out of context and sad presentation.

    “Food for thought. The Yeshiva system is more focused on wearing a white shirt (some invented chumra) then teaching Bochurim the importance of the “Hadras Ponim Zokon” A mitzvah Dioiraissa!”

    I am making a macha’a. I am really sorry some people bristle at the uniform of yeshivas and I fully acknowledge that some of the inflexibility of the system has done it’s damage on many kids. But that anger (PTSD?) needs to be addressed and dealt with on a personal level. Writing comments like these are just motzei she rah. Yes, some places made huge mistakes. And some kids who suffered blame the system instead of the individuals. But the above comment is wrong. 100% wrong.

    #1879199
    rational
    Participant

    VHere’s comments are not 100% wrong, they are actually mostly right. Whether he has PTSD to deal with does not subtract from their accuracy. Countless mussar shmuesses in high school and onward (apologies to you Syag if you are male, but if I remember correctly you are female) emphasized the Torah Jew Uniform in abject opposition to the non-uniformed , someone who cannot possibly be a Torah Jew. Referencing my parenthetical supposition, you have likely never heard these shmuesses, but I have heard many, and all yeshiva boys I know will corroborate this endemic message. The message is very clear, and it is as I stated: “A non-uniformed boy cannot be a Torah Jew.”
    It is stated simply like that, and the dogma is that simple.

    The only blatant inaccuracy in VHere’s comments is that he believes this approach has been around 30-40 years. I heard it close to 50 years ago. It hasn’t changed much, and history has shown that it enjoys tremendous success. That is a sad presentation.

    Again parenthetically, it was no surprise that 10-15 years ago a major yeshiva photoshopped two blue shirts out of a full bes medrash picture featured in the yeshiva calendar. The photograph was used one year, and the identical photograph was reused the following year sans the two lonely light-blue shirts. Bad publicity that was fixed. The message was obvious. It is what it is. You are better off defending it than denying it.

    #1879226
    rational
    Participant

    For the purpose of clarity:
    The terms Torah Jew, Ben Torah, Real Yeshiva Bochur, True Y’rei Shamayim, Ba’al Nefesh etc… are synonymous.

    #1879516
    Ayiddishekup
    Participant

    Have to argue with @rational. I went thru the yeshiva system and while obviously the dress code was a white shirt (and would have been unacceptable to come to the yeshiva in a blue shirt) it was never brought out with that attitude that if a different yeshiva had people with blue shirts they were not torah Jews. So a drop of an exaggeration there.

    #1879539
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Rational- you claim in another post that you are a religious zionist who has been living in israel for 30 years. You seem to have drunk the kool aid we were served. When you make comments like that about people/places based on hearsay it is called motzei shem rah. Yes i am female, but i have/had 7 boys presently in the system, not propaganda from 1970. So if you started out in “charedi” yeshivos, then perhaps the comments speak for that time, but unfortunately i would have to question how much accuracy anyone in israel would have about someone outside their box.

    #1879919
    VHere Rebbe
    Participant

    Syag- how can you claim one person’s experiences are heresy? You we’re never in their place! It’s a beautiful thing that you’ve sent 7 sons to yeshiva, but that doesn’t mean you know more about yeshiva than someone who actually attended one. Bochurim typically don’t discuss yeshiva with their mothers. Even if you “feel” like to may know better, remember that you never went to yeshiva.

    Consider that others may know more than you, it’s called being Modeh Al HaEmes.

    #1879978
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    VR – you didn’t read my post. Try reading it before getting all dramatic

    Consider that others may know more than you, it’s called being Modeh Al HaEmes.

    I always believe people know more than me, but just as i will never decide my personal experiences can be generalized to an entire world wide generations old system, i am quick to point out that yours can’t either. It’s called being Modeh Al HaEmes

    #1880009
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    The yeshiva outfit is meaningless and pointless. But it just is what it is, so get used to it. Also, most yeshiva bachurim (and their parents) are happy with it. No need for cancel culture.

    #1880022
    Ayiddishekup
    Participant

    VR- You seem to like throwing out terms so for the next one you can say derech eretz kodma latorah. I usually like and many times agree with rationals posts however this time he seems to do what he hates that others do I.e. giving a subjective view and saying ask any bochur and he’ll agree with me.

    #1880017
    VHere Rebbe
    Participant

    Syag
    You have a point that my personal experiences can’t be extrapolated to the entire system.

    However, if a significant part of all yeshiva Bochurim and alumni agree that this is an issue (not just myself), there certainly is room to assume that this is true of the entire system. It is no longer my personal experience, it’s a part of the system.

    #1880034
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    However, if a significant part of all yeshiva Bochurim and alumni agree 

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Let me know when you’ve completed interviewing that significant part.

    #1880037
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Im also confused why i address rational and get first person responses fron VH. Are you a sock pupoet? I know (not definitively of course) from rationals posts that he has had little intimate contact with this wirld he is commenting on. And from what i remember of his postings, i don’t think he ever was part of these “white shirt” yeshivas. That is why i responded to his comments. The exact comments he decries when they are aimed at him.

    #1880051
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Nom- i’m never surprised when someone as intelligent as you feels that way, it seems to be a “thing”. But i am always amazed when those same gifted people can’t sort out their feelings/perceptions/experiences from the possibility that it doesn’t hold true for everyone. And i don’t mean that “everyone” is just oblivious or sheep

    #1880070
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Syag,
    I do not follow your critique. I said that most people are fine with how yeshiva bochurim dress. It is not a big deal. Also , see my reply to the OP above. #1877655

    I heard directly from one Rosh Yeshivah (He was as highly regarded as a yeshivshe daas torah as one can be.) that there is no reason to where a white shirt or a black hat. [Of course he expected his talmidim to wear them.]

    #1880119
    asimpleyid
    Participant

    its not totally meaningless. the way a person dressed impacts the way he views himself, so if a person wants to identify with a certain group, he should dress like them. if a person dresses in a tshirt and shorts he’ll feel more chill and relaxed vs if he dresses in a suit and tie. thats just the metzius. and nobodies gonna say that a white shirt itself holds any grand chashivus, its just what took off and became the “dress code”. it couldve been a blue shirt or a green shirt, doesnt matter. the point is if a person wants to identify with the yeshiva world then he should dress as such

    #1880187
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Asy – beautiful response

    #1880186
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear A,
    Identifying with a certain group is just as meaningless as a levush. That was the point of saying it is pointless.

    #1881778
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    In nature, animals that deviate from the accepted “lvush” tend to get “eaten” more frequently by those higher up the food chaing than those that blend in to the herd, so perhaps you have a point. A red corvette is more likely to be ticketed for speeding, even if the driver is simply keeping up with all the other traffic.

    #1881870
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Gadol,
    Great reason not to care about anyone’s outfit. Whatever works.

    #1881898
    regularbachur
    Participant

    I couldn’t agree more with asy. That said, of course there have to be gedarim. Just because a bochur should be wearing a white shirt and black pants doesn’t mean he should be pressured to spend many hundreds of dollars to get brand name clothing (see intownbochur #1877648)

    #1882009
    Rebbaskugel
    Participant

    I went to elementary school in an out of town place that was all round what I would call pretty modern, but with yeshivish rebbayim and principle. One thing about the school was the fact that even though it was modern and semi co-ed girls wore uniforms. I think ONE of the reasons was to take away social pressure of dressing in the perfect way in order to fit in. At first glace no one would think that yeshive bachrim who all were the same thing and yet it still matter whos hat says borrsilino in little gold letters and whos dosmt. I think the reason for this is not just a strictly a problem with yeshivish cultural , but a much broader problem: Their needs to be a strong mussar movement of gadlus ha adam. If we can realise how great we are then we can be able to have good self esteem and not give in to peer pressure of what is considers social norms and at the same time realise that it is still important to dress nice. If this is able to be realized then the reason bachrim wont be wearing a white shirt is because thats what looks like your from lakewood (if you have gadlus hadam you will have good enough self esteem to care) instead bachrim will wear white shirts black pants and 700 dollar hats will be because they are able to recognize their own greatness and understand that their clothing should represent that.

    #1882155
    The little I know
    Participant

    Sorry to all, but I am bothered by the obsession with levush. The subject is not meaningless. We all know that the external has an effect on the internal. Yet, the visual presentation is a terribly inaccurate measure of someone’s true greatness. It is one thing to seek a uniform dress code to avoid the competitive issue, though that is often expected more in girls than boys. In my bochur days, there was nearly zero attention paid to the subject. And my generation, those on my class and the classes above and below me include quite a number of Roshei Yeshivos, Megidei Shiurim, Mechabrei Seforim, etc. All of these dressed in normal garb, not black pants with white shirts.

    The focus on the external detracts from the focus on the internal, and that devastates the entire young generation today. The sheer number of adults in today’s population that are so superficial in their Avodas Hashem is staggering, despite the chumros of yoshon and bedikas tola’im. And the internal weaknesses translate into a failure to imbue the children to grow in Ahavas Hashem. I am on a front where many of these problems are exposed to me, and I am not presenting a theory. If any yeshiva invested as much effort into helping each and every talmid develop and nurture the cheishek to learn and follow mitzvos, as is given to the discipline over the dress code, our community would look vastly different. Kol Torah would not be measured in decibels but in the pervasive passion in learning.

    #1882252
    mesivta aliyah
    Participant

    @VHERE REBBE
    the reason y the yeshivish oilam hatorah has a dress code is in the maharil diskins days the maskalim were attacking the yiddish community and they were looking at the maskalims university students in their fancy uniforms and we needed bochurim to have shtutlz…… would u rather have no frum bochurim???????????????

    #1882281
    Rebbaskugel
    Participant

    In this day and age scociety is the oposite is all about the hoodies and sweatshirts if anything now we need to dress nice to NOt follow the rest of the world. But now that the nonjewish standerd of dress has been lowerd so to we can lower ours (but to a smaller level. The balance between the 2 is not for me to decide.

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