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    Maivin
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    akuperma
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    All yeshivish are chareidi (unless one argues the fanatical religious zionist yeshiva students are also yeshivish, which is not how the term is used in Yiddish and English).

    Not all chareidim are yeshivish (there are hasidim and sefardim, who are not yeshivish but are charedi).

    The broad term is : chareidi
    The narrower term is; yeshivish

    #1885474
    Maivin
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    so you mean to say כלל ופרט?

    #1885684
    Ed in Miani
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    Question: To be yeshivish, do you have to attend a yeshiva (either now or in the past) or is wearing a black hat enough?

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    takahmamash
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    I thought from the title that there was going to be a rumble. I even brought popcorn.

    Yeshivish is a subset of chareidi.

    #1885694
    Maivin
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    What is yeshivish, is it a guy who mixes in yidish to his english?
    Or a guy who wears loafers?
    Or a guy whith a big Yarmulka towards the front?

    What makes someone yeshivish and not mainstream charedi??

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    akuperma
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    RE: What makes someone yeshivish and not mainstream charedi??

    1. Not being a Hasid

    2. Not being a Sefardi (non-Ashkenazi) baal ha-bayis (but can you be both Sefardi and yeshivish, and in that case should we say there are two flavors of “yeshivish”, Ashkenazi and Sefardi.

    3. Especially in greater New York City, even goyim mix in Yiddish with their English. Many people wear loafers for many reasons (not wanting to tie shoes on Shabbos, arthritis that makes it hard to tie shoes, etc.), How one wears a yarmulke is a function of head shape (though choice of yarmulke is a fashion statement with socio-political overtones).

    #1885840
    Toi
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    You know, it’s really funny how the language has shifted in the last 10 to 15 years. When I came to EY to learn in yeshiva, no one referred to the broader frum community as chareidi. The bochurim in the big name brisker yeshivos in Yerushalayim, arguably the most culturally perceptive subgroup in orthodox jewry, reserved the word chareidi for the yerushalmim, exclusively. Not just anyone who lived in Yerushalayim, just those who make up the ‘old guard’ of yerushalayim’s residents, and their families. I highly doubt you could find the word chareidi in any jewish magazines up until the last ten years or so. Chareidi today just means religious, with a slight bent towards making religion the focus of your life as opposed to enjoying life while being religious. Yeshivish doesn’t have an accurate description. It’s like asking to describe the color blue. If you know you know, if not, you can only come to understanding it through experiencing it.

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    Maivin
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    WOW!! that was a very clever response!

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    huju
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    Yeshivish vs. Chareidi: Worst WWE wrestling match ever. Chairs are much better for head-bashing than volumes of Talmud.

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    Chreidi is the N word of the Jews. Use a different term.

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    Yserbius123
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    “Chareidi” is an Israeli term that refers to Israelis who believe that the proper lifestyle for a Yid is to stay in Yeshiva rather than join the Tzahal.

    “Yeshivish” is an American term that refers to a frum Jew who isn’t modern Orthodox.

    They are two separate things that refer to two separate concepts, even if there is a lot of overlap.

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