March 17, 2009 4:12 am at 4:12 am #589609
The “lavud” mention in the multiple screen name thread got me thinking about one of my favorite yeshivishe maaselach. It was in middle of the winter, and the heat’s on way too high. I surreptitiously crack open a window, hoping the complainer wouldn’t notice. Sure enough, he soon notices and comes over to complain. I told him that the window was open less than 3 tefachim, so it had a din of “lavud”, and was lomdishly closed. Unfortunately he didn’t buy it.May 24, 2009 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #897115Pashuteh YidMember
Jothar, very funny. Just saw it.
Reminds me of a friend who says that klal yisroel is great because no other nation has ever figured out how to make an eruv that allows you to carry on Saturday.May 24, 2009 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #897116oomisParticipant
I told him that the window was open less than 3 tefachim, so it had a din of “lavud”, and was lomdishly closed. Unfortunately he didn’t buy it.
Cute.May 25, 2009 12:06 am at 12:06 am #897117believerParticipant
i dont understandMay 25, 2009 2:53 am at 2:53 am #897118One of the chevraParticipant
A shkoyich takke’, It was mamish a gevaldiger shtarke yeshivisher joke there, I hope the oilem chapped the teefa lomdus of it!May 25, 2009 3:38 am at 3:38 am #897119BasYisroel2Participant
Yeshivish car bumper sticker-Warning can explode at any moment!May 25, 2009 3:49 am at 3:49 am #897120believerParticipant
i guess i dont understand this joke bec im chasidish? is it a yeshivisha pj?(for anyone doesnt know what that means-it means private joke)
is it a pj?May 25, 2009 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #897121shaatraMember
The ‘olem’ didn’t ‘chap’May 25, 2009 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #897122
Pashuteh, thanks for rescuing this thread from limbo!
If you have to explain a joke, it isn’t funny, but lavud is a classic lomdus to make physical gaps lomdishly disappear when they are less than 3 tefachim. It is usually mentioned by hilchos sukkah.May 25, 2009 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #897123
Years ago, when I was a bochur in an out-of-town yeshiva, I went with a friend of mine to someone for shabbos. Rhis guy liked reading in the bathroom, and took an inordinate amount of time. We had a dirah-like dorm with one bathroom, and this guy naturally caused other to knock on the door to get him to hurry.
So we’re there for Shabbos. We’re getting ready for bed. He uses the bathroom first. He starts reading a Reader’s Digest he found in there. Sure enough, he hears a knocking. He decides to be mean to me and comes out 45 minutes later. The problem was, it wasn’t me knocking. It was the very expectant baalabosta!May 25, 2009 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #897124yeshivahmanMember
The Oilam in yeshiva were discussing why you have to make a kinyan when you get married the gemara rfers to it as an Aveidah? so an eltere Bochur saya because we were long “meyayish” and an older yungerman say es iz gurnit a metziahMay 26, 2009 4:06 am at 4:06 am #897125
Yeshivaman- loved it!Shkoyach!May 26, 2009 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #897126feivelParticipant
if a gap (space) of less than 3 tephachim is present between two parts of a mechitza or between the mechitza and the ground, we consider the space AS IF it were a solid closed part of the mechitzaMay 26, 2009 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #897127
Similarly, by shidduchim, as long as the gap (space) in ages between the chosson and the kallah is 3 years or less, it is as if there is no age gap 😀May 27, 2009 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #897128
In some yeshiva cholents the meat is bottul beshishim…
I once heard of a guy who nicknamed his bed “lernin”. When the mashgiach would ask where he was, he would say “I was ligt in lernin”.May 27, 2009 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #897129Feif UnParticipant
feivel: you say if there’s a space of less than 3 tefachim between parts of a mechitza it’s considered closed? You’ve obviously never been on the bus from Boro Park to Monsey (although it’s been years since I was on it!)
If there’s an opening of an inch you’ll have 5 chassidim jumping to fix it!
Maybe that’s why believer didn’t get it…May 27, 2009 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #897130Mayan_DvashParticipant
Reminds me of the Brisker talmid who told his son that he can drink the hot tea because it was in a kli shlishi. So by being afraid to drink from it, is showing a lack in emunah. ;May 27, 2009 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #897131
I think that lovud only works vertically. Am I wrong about that?
Also, there is a difference depending on what the mechitza is for. For example, a glass mechitza does not work for ervah (you cannot daven if there is a wall of glass between you and someone dressed inappropriately). So the bus mechitza should be all the way closed, if you need it at all. It would work for tzoieh (excrement).
Now that brings to mind the famous ma’aseh with a choshuver yungerman (happened long time ago, and he is a very chashuva person) and his R”Y. Out of the clear blue, he goes over to the R”Y and asks him, “Is the Rosh Yeshiva considered tzoieh or ervah?” He was asking regarding the chiyuv to stand for an adam gadol – and if a mechitza between them of glass makes a difference (I believe the correct answer is that it does not). The R”Y was the type to appreciate such sharfness, so he readmitted the talmid after kicking him out of the yeshiva.May 27, 2009 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #897132
Squeak, according the the chazon ish, glass mechitzos do work if you close your eyes. I was once at a chasunah seated at a mixed table with women who weren’t dressed properly. I started taking off my glass to bentch but was told by a chashuv yungerman next to me that it was better to wear the glasses and just shut my eyes based on the chazon ish. There was an article recently in the Yated about this concept of “ashashis”. I believe most do argue though.May 27, 2009 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #897133
Another good lavud joke:
Story: A thief once took advantage of a crack in a succah wall, to reach in and steal a pair of silver candle sticks. When the incident came to the attention of the Rabbi Chaim Ozer Grodzinsky, zatzal, he remarked that thief must have been an am ha’aretz – someone ignorant of Jewish law. “A Torah Scholar could never have done such a thing,” jested the rabbi. “Knowing the din of lavud (that the halacha considers a break smaller than three handbreadths as though it is sealed), a Torah Scholar would never have been able get his hand through!May 27, 2009 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #897134feivelParticipant
lavud works horizontally as wellMay 27, 2009 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #897135
thank you feivel. I stand corrected.
Jothar, glasses??May 28, 2009 2:56 am at 2:56 am #897136
No, glass. I wear a monocle. It goes well with my pocketwatch and steampunk smartphone.May 28, 2009 4:30 am at 4:30 am #897137HaQerMember
I wear special sunglasses that were worn by the Gedolei Yisrael Shlita during Birchas Hachama whenever I need to say a beracha around an erva.May 28, 2009 6:19 am at 6:19 am #897138JaxMember
HaQer: wow! how much does such an idem go for!? and where can i buy them online!? 😉September 14, 2012 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #897139The_Cool_JewMember
BUMP!!!September 19, 2012 1:55 am at 1:55 am #897140The_Cool_JewMember
Any more stories?September 19, 2012 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #897141ChortkovParticipant
I ????? don’t use a spoon – what with forks and lovud, I’m sorted!September 19, 2012 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #897142frummy in the tummyParticipant
Jothar – if I were the guy (and I very well may have been; I hate the cold), I would have pushed you out the window. You wouldn’t be able to blame me for it, either, based on your own argument. 😉September 19, 2012 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #897143Feif UnParticipant
When I was in yeshiva, someone once wrote the following on the board:
1. Ein haTorah niknis elah l’mi she’meimis atzmo ba’avurah
2. Chavrusah o misusa
Moral: Don’t learn with a chavrusah!September 20, 2012 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #897144frummy in the tummyParticipant
feif +1September 20, 2012 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #897145uneeqMember
Shabbos meal in yeshiva they would joke- “Don’t worry about putting the chicken (davar gush) on the on the (uncooked) rice….The chicken is cold!
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