December 17, 2010 12:44 am at 12:44 am #593562
There’s a store in Boro Park, where the owner is a Yid.
He collects a Minyan Mincha in his store every afternoon. He advertises in Heimish newspapers.he also carries every item you would need for Yom Tov and Simchas.
The store is OPEN on Shabbos.
Would you stay quiet about this? Would you let people know? Advertise it?
Are Yiddin allowed to shop there L’halacha?December 17, 2010 3:07 am at 3:07 am #719195apushatayidParticipant
This story doesn’t pass the “smell test”.December 17, 2010 3:50 am at 3:50 am #719196
Smartcookie; Don’t tease us. Spill the beans. I don’t know if, l’Halacha you’re allowed to withhold the information. Because if I were –for example– going to collect for Tzeddakah and I knew this Yid who sits at home eating chulent and gala and his store is open on Shabbos, I would not take any Chillul Shabbos money from him, but, not knowing, I will. Besides, what do you mean by “He carries every item you need for Yom Tov and simchas”?! Is it cottage cheese, Shoe Polish or tablecloths?December 17, 2010 4:10 am at 4:10 am #719197charliehallParticipant
Maybe he sells the business to a non-Jew Friday afternoon and buys it back Saturday night?December 17, 2010 4:27 am at 4:27 am #719198kapustaParticipant
Please, please ask a rav before you say anything. And please, please make sure firsthand the information you have is completely true.December 17, 2010 4:30 am at 4:30 am #719199
Who is shopping there on Shabbos?December 17, 2010 4:56 am at 4:56 am #719200
Metro, no no no. He doesn’t look like a very Heimishe Yid. But he makes himself as though he is.
I don’t know what he does at home, but he’s known as non- religious.
His open store on Shabbos is proof that his whole “Yiddishkeit is bluff”.
The problem is that he acts religious because he wants customers. He makes a minyan in his store, has Mezuzas all over, and puts up a nice show.December 17, 2010 4:57 am at 4:57 am #719201
APY- what’s the problem?December 17, 2010 5:33 am at 5:33 am #719203real-briskerMember
(What do you mean by yiddish owner – he speaks yiddish? lol) Do you know for sure that he is the owner, not just a manager, worker…?December 17, 2010 5:35 am at 5:35 am #719204farrockgrandmaParticipant
Maybe there is a non-Jewish partner in the business? Whatever heter the store-owner relies on may not be good enough for you, but don’t be so quick to label someone else as a mechalel Shabbos.December 17, 2010 7:42 am at 7:42 am #719205The Other GuyMember
I’m pretty sure that if he has a non-Jewish partner who gets all the profit from Shabbos, its technically muttar…you should probably consult a Rav before announcing the situation in a public forum, as loshon hara can clearly lose a man his parnassah….hatzlacha rabahDecember 17, 2010 8:26 am at 8:26 am #719206shlomozalmanMember
Kapusta has it right.December 17, 2010 8:43 am at 8:43 am #719207shlomozalmanMember
Kapusta has it wrong.December 17, 2010 10:51 am at 10:51 am #719208
There is no non-Jewish business partner here.
Anyway, I find it hard to believe that this Frei Yid sells his business to a non Jew each week.
Hello? This is BORO PARK! We hardly have stores open here.
I will find out if the owner is in the store on Shabbos.
I’ll keep you posted.December 17, 2010 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #719209apushatayidParticipant
You wouldnt be skeptical if I told you that I was the only one aware of something occurring right under the nose of hundreds if not thousands of people? You are the only person who sees that the store is open? You’re the only one who knows the owner is jewish?December 17, 2010 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #719210rabbiofberlinParticipant
before throwing acusations around, one must find out if there is a non-Jewish partner. It has nothing to do with selling the store every week-as smartcookie says- if there is a non-jewish partner who takes the profits from that day, it is actually muttor,although there is a problem if this store is known as a jewish store-then there might be a problem. but,please inquire what is the situation before proclaiming this person to be “mechalel shabbos befresya”.December 17, 2010 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #719211
APY- am I the ONLY ONE? Not at all. But many people don’t know he’s a Yid. And many people don’t know they’re open on Shabbos. Not everyone passes New Utrecht avenue on Shabbos.December 17, 2010 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #719212popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I do not know what is bothering you.December 17, 2010 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #719213bezalelParticipant
I don’t know who or what store you are referring to but I find your statements disturbing. Since you already judged him as nonreligious for keeping a business open on shabbos (which you seem to be the only one that knows that there is a Jewish sole-proprietor) you refuse to accept any reasoning that the actions of the owner may actually be permissible.
I don’t deny that there are individuals that keep mezuzah and daven but are mechallel shabbos. I don’t consider them frum but they aren’t just putting on a show.December 19, 2010 3:36 am at 3:36 am #719214
Smartcookie; There is only one store on New Utrecht that would fit the profile. But that store has a Goyishe name and to the best of my knowledge was owned by non-Jews until recently. Lately, unfortunately (for me.) I had an occasion to meet the owner/manager? I caused slight damage to one of their trucks while making a turn from New Utrecht to 4- Street with my School Bus.December 19, 2010 4:35 am at 4:35 am #719215
Metro- 48th?December 19, 2010 4:52 am at 4:52 am #719216
Yup! across from the (new), big store.December 19, 2010 5:05 am at 5:05 am #719217
That store owner is supposed to be a non religious Jew.
What makes you think he’s a non jew?December 19, 2010 6:03 am at 6:03 am #719218
smartcookie; A coupla (Not that I don’t know how to spell it correctly) years ago, the owners were –as the name indicates– Greek Goyim.December 19, 2010 7:29 am at 7:29 am #719219
metrodriver, isn’t Greek Goyim a rather unusual name for a retail establishment?December 19, 2010 9:27 am at 9:27 am #719220
Are we speaking about the same store? New Utrecht corner 48- the big dept store.
They changed names and owners recently. This new owner is Jewish.December 19, 2010 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #719221
Homeowner; Either you’re related to the Third Boy in the Haggada, or you’re being facetious. In either case. “GG” is a description of identity, not a name.
smartcookie; The owners of the big store do not pretend to be religious. Furthermore, it’s a known fact that they’re open on Shabbos. But you made ME spill the beans.December 19, 2010 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #719222
Metro- they sure do pretend. Do you know that he collects a Minyan Mincha every day?
And even if he doesn’t pretend, he is still NOT ALLOWED to be open on Shabbos. And since he is open Shabbos, I was wondering if Jews may shop there.December 19, 2010 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #719223
smartcookie, there are so many “ifs” in this story.
#1, if he is indeed the sole proprietor and he is in fact a yid, he might be doing the minyan as a service to the neighborhood or because he promised his parent to say kadish for him/her and so needs a minyan whether he is frum or not. So don’t jump to conclusions or judge.
#2, As others said, he might have a goy as a partner or he might be just the manager and not at all the owner.
#3, Even if he is a frei yid, you can’t force a non-frum Jew to be shomer shabbos, and you can’t boycott him for not being Shomer Shabbos. There is no halacha that I know of to keep you from buying from him. Century 21 is owned by Jews and is open on Shabbos, how many Yiddin refuse to shop there? National wholesale liquidators was owned by Jews, did you not shop there? There are many stores that are owned by non religious Jews but there are no boycotts on those stores. It is a personal preference. If you wish to boycott that store, do so. But don’t make a public issue out of it. As he enjoys the support of the community he may then want to hear what the many “friends” he has made might have to say about him being open on Shabbos. Starting a negative campaign will only effect a negative response.December 19, 2010 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #719224
Aries- I answered these questions already. He is the only owner to his business. No non-jew involved.
Now if the owner of Century 21 would constantly fool people that he is religious:
-he would put up mezuzos
-he would arrange a minyan in his store(no Kaddish involved either)
-he would advertise in Jewish weeklys and always write about Yom Tov ans Simchas
Wouldn’t it bother you that his store is open Shabbos?
It bothers me very much that he puts up a show, many people think he’s a good Jew, and they shop there. And they probably wouldn’t if they knew he was playing 2 sides.December 19, 2010 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #719225
Firstly, even non-frum jews hang up mezuzas!
Secondly, how do you know so much about this guy?
Even goyim advertise in Jewish media. That is just smart marketing.
And as I said, having a minyan in his store is a service to his neighbors. So in what way is he pretending to be frum? He wears a yarmulka and tzizis? How old is he?December 20, 2010 12:50 am at 12:50 am #719226
metrodriver, I don’t know. Are you related to the second son of the Haggadah for saying something gratuitously nasty?
I am not responsible for your bad grammar which I tried to correct in a playful and gentle manner. If you would prefer something else, bring it on.December 20, 2010 1:26 am at 1:26 am #719227
Aries- he doesn’t look Frum and I’m not sure about his age.
I, And all my neighbors took this as him trying to fool the Heimishe crowd here because he wants our business.December 20, 2010 2:42 am at 2:42 am #719228
If he doesn’t look Frum, then how is he trying to fool the “olam”? I am not trying to bait you or argue with you I am just trying to understand you and your frustration. How is he trying to trick you if he doesn’t look Frum?December 20, 2010 2:48 am at 2:48 am #719229
Homeowner; Please don’t loose your cool over such trivia. Good Grammar or bad. When I gave a description of the identity of the previous owners, you asked a (rhetorical) question that came across as Smart-Alecky. So, I retorted with a question; Whether you fail to see the obvious or just pretend to do so.December 21, 2010 4:27 am at 4:27 am #719230
Metro, you’ve confirmed your spot as the Second Son. Also, your latest missive is at a seventh grade level (cf. “loose” v. “lose”).
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