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January 20, 2018 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1453193Curious1000Participant
Does anyone know where the pronunciation Yisroel comes from? As in, for example, every song I have ever heard? As far as I can tell, it is a kamatz.
January 20, 2018 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #1453278LightbriteParticipantYisrael for the place.
January 20, 2018 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1453279LightbriteParticipantYisroel for the rest ‘cuz that’s how we roll
January 20, 2018 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1453280👑RebYidd23ParticipantAccent varies by geographical location.
January 21, 2018 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1453780☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantIt might help if you used actual pronunciation notation
(I don’t know which non-kamatz sound you mean).January 21, 2018 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #1454135iacisrmmaParticipantRand0m3x: The word ישראל has a KAMATZ under the ר which should be pronounced “RAW”. However, many people pronounce it as if it had CHOLOM which would be “RO”. People usually spell it in English as YISROEL hence the OP’s question.
January 22, 2018 8:38 am at 8:38 am #1454259NechomahParticipantIn EY, Ashkenazi pronunciation of the kamatz is more of an Oh or sound, not oi like a cholom. The patach is what has the Ah sound. It does not matter if it is for the name of a person or the place (EY).
The Sefardim have no significant difference in the pronunciation of the patach and the kamatz, both sound like an Ah.
In America, many people pronounce these vowels like Sefardim.
January 22, 2018 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1454322BaltimoreMavenParticipantChassidim pronounce most patach as an “oo” sound so it would be “Yisruel”
January 22, 2018 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1454344akupermaParticipantKametz, can be an “ah” as in father, an “oh” as in oatmeal, or an “aw” as in “raw” depending on dialect. All are glatt kosher. The “aw” (spoken by western and northeastern European Ashkenazi) is probably closer to the ancient pronounication, but you’ll need a time machine to be certain.
January 22, 2018 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1454381iacisrmmaParticipantNechomah: There are those who pronounce it as “cholam” and those who pronounce it as “choilam”. The kamatz is generally sounded as “AW” and the patach as “AH”.
January 22, 2018 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #1454978☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantPlease give examples of songs that sound out “Yisrael” as yis-roy-el.
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