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  • #2008207
    Reb Eliezer
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    Yom Kipurim as they are both Kabolas Hatorah. We should realy eat and drink on Yom Kippur but kapora is also a simcha, enjoyment. We make it up with Erev Yom Kippur. So women would also be mechuyeves in the mitzva of eating Erev Yom Kippur as it is part of Yom Kippur.

    #2008229
    Reb Eliezer
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    The mishna in Taanis says כשם כשנכנס אב ממעטין בשמחה as when Av arrives we diminish enjoyment כך משנכנס אדר מרבין בשמחה, similarly onwhen Ador arrives, we increase the enjoyment. What is the connection? Fasting is certainly done lashem shomayim. for the sake of heaven, Hashem but enjoying ourselves through eating might not, so we have Purim where our enjoyment should be lashem shimayim. Yom Kippur when we are not eating misses this enjoyment which should be made up through Erev Yom Kippur.

    #2008570
    KGN
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    יום כפורים

    Both are spiritually uplifting holidays.

    The emotional response should be the same.

    The difference? One is more physical.

    #2008588
    Health
    Participant

    RE – On Erev Yom Kippur – I heard the Klausenburg Rebbe talking about this. He said YK is like Purim.
    I didn’t stay to hear the whole thing.

    There’s a lot of Torah on this subject. Purim is Avodah from Ahava, while YK is from Yira.

    Btw – This is before he moved to Netanya.

    #2008652
    Reb Eliezer
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    KGN, when we fast on YK, we put our physical sense to sleep and awaken our spiritual sense.

    #2008658
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Also. Purim we first fast then eat, appreciating eating more and YK we eat first and then fast feeling the fast more.

    #2008664
    Reb Eliezer
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    The holy Berdichever explains the Midrash ולקחתם לכם ביום הראשון it should say to take the lulav the fifteenth not the first day, says the Midrash, ראשון לחשבן עונות first for counting sins. YK the teshuva is miyiroh, from fear but Sukkas the teshuva is from ahava, from love converting the sins to good deeds, benefits, so we can start counting our sins.

    #2008665
    Benephraim
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    Is anyone aware of the first מקור of this comparison? Is it טור ברקת perhaps?

    #2008939
    Reb Eliezer
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    There is another similarity between the two כל הפושט יד נותנים לו whoever stretches out his hand give him. Purim below, us, we should give him and Yom Kippur above, Hashem will give him.

    #2008935
    Reb Eliezer
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    The sefer Shevet Mussar from the 1700 quotes from his rebbi that Purim is mechaper, forgives the sins just as Yom Kippur.

    #2009085
    CHOOSID
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    GESHMAK TO BE A YID!!!
    ELUL!!!
    TISHREI!!!
    GESHMAK!!!!!!!!

    #2009107
    zaidy78
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    Just saw a beautiful pshat from Pesach Krohn in the new book on Yomim Noraim.
    On Purim, we were actually zoche to the ובכן תן פחדך And Then the following paragraphs that all the Hashem instilled his fear amongst the nations, which caused them to respect klal Yisroel, which brought about ובכן צדיקים יראו וישמחו, of which eventually brought about בית המקדש השני.
    So on Purim it actually happened, and therefore on the holiest day of the calendar we hope to have a day יום כיפורים, the Day that we should be zoche to again במהרה.

    #2009140
    Reb Eliezer
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    The holiest day is shabbos which has sekila and seven aliyos. It says by shabbos, ‘שבת שבתון הוא לה where as by YK it says שבת שבתון הוא לכם when YK falls on sbabbos, we fast as the kapara is an oneg shabbos. The Chasam Sofer shows the greatness of the neshama. The holiest you might say is the mishkan, the residence of Hashem. Its builing is not dacha, push away shabbos but pekuach nefesh, saving a live because of the neshama is dacha shabbos. So the neshama is the holiest. Maybe YK is the most productive dqy.

    #2067691
    Reb Eliezer
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    We need to do teshuva on Purim from joy.

    #2067861
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Berdichever ztz’l explains that when we are happy doing teshuva, mitzvas and maasim tovim, we make Hashem also happy and כל הפושט יד נותנים לו, so one who stretches his hand towards the Heaven will be answered as Yom Kippur where teshuva is done from fear.

    #2067911
    Reb Eliezer
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    We find the comparison in תיקוני זוהר (נז,ב) – Tekunei Zohar (57,2).

    #2070284
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Chidushei Harim has an interesting explanation for drinking on Purim with a story. A person collected a lot of money to perform an aveira. When he saw how some people were suffering, he forgot everything about doing an aveira and gave the money to them. They were so impressed in the heavens that they decreed that whatever he asks for should be granted to him. Making sure that he should not ask for something that they were not willing to abide by, they also decreed on him that the rest of his life he should be a drunk thereby he should not being able to think clearly. Purim is so great that all prayers are listened to that day, so we are commanded to drink in order not to ask for something that they are unwilling to grant.

    #2070794

    I think you_all are answering the wrong question! You seem to be comparing Purim to YK, as if Purim is caleed v yom kikipurim! We don’t need to clarify what Purim is, we need to clarify what YK is and how it is as holy as Purim! L’Chaim.

    #2070928
    Reb Eliezer
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    They compare YK and Purim as they both had lots picked. Yom Kippur was selected to Hashem or Lazozel. Purim the Yaaros Devash says that there were two lotteries two validate each other. One, for the months and another for the days. To be a valid lottery, the day number picked had to be able to fall into the month number picked.

    #2123998
    Reb Eliezer
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    bump

    #2129413
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    As we said before that we make up the simcha of eating with erev yom kippur. There was a story with the holy Berdichever zy’a who on Kol Nidrei night was looking underneath all tables in his shul. The chassidim did not know what he was doing. When he finished, he went to the bimah and said, RBSA if the goyim were given a day when it is a mitzva to eat, they would have drunk themselves under the table however, I can’t find one Jew being under the table.

    #2129449
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I wish everyone 5783 – הי’ ‘ש’ נ ‘ת’ פדוית גליותינו

    #2129503
    abukspan
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    It is worth knowing the original connection between Purim and Yom Kippurim. See below and the questions that need answering. Gmar Chasima Tova

    We’ve all heard talk of the relationship between Purim and Yom Kippurim; in fact, the Tikkunei Zohar (Tikkun 21:57b) writes that Purim is named after Yom HaKippurim, because in the future Yom Kippur will be enjoyed and will be changed from a day of affliction to one of pleasure.
    Furthermore, the Zohar understands that Esther’s action, when she voluntarily entered the king’s inner throne room to intercede on behalf of her people, was akin to the Kohen Gadol entering Hashem’s Holy of Holies on Yom HaKippurim with the ketores, incense, to petition and intercede on behalf of his people. Just as the Kohen Gadol puts on special clothing on Yom Kippur, Esther donned royal clothing before approaching Achashveirosh. And just as the Kohen Gadol enters the Holy of Holies wearing his special garments, Esther entered the inner sanctum of King Achashveirosh. And just as Esther found favor in the eyes of the king, so, too, we hope to find favor in the eyes of Hashem and to achieve forgiveness.
    What comparison is there between the avodah of the Kohen Gadol on Yom Kippur and the actions taken by Esther at that critical juncture of the story of Purim? His entering the holiest place in the world – with the ketores to effect forgiveness for Yisrael – is the holiest of actions. Her entering and offering herself to the king was arguably one of tumah and defilement.
    Is there anything in the method through which forgiveness is achieved on Yom Kippur that is similar to the forgiveness on Purim?

    #2129504
    abukspan
    Participant

    its worth knowing the original source linking Purim to Yom Kippurim; it is not like you think and provides room for several strong questions to be asked. See Below. Gmar chasima Tova

    We’ve all heard talk of the relationship between Purim and Yom Kippurim; in fact, the Tikkunei Zohar (Tikkun 21:57b) writes that Purim is named after Yom HaKippurim, because in the future Yom Kippur will be enjoyed and will be changed from a day of affliction to one of pleasure.

    Furthermore, the Zohar understands that Esther’s action, when she voluntarily entered the king’s inner throne room to intercede on behalf of her people, was akin to the Kohen Gadol entering Hashem’s Holy of Holies on Yom HaKippurim with the ketores, incense, to petition and intercede on behalf of his people. Just as the Kohen Gadol puts on special clothing on Yom Kippur, Esther donned royal clothing before approaching Achashveirosh. And just as the Kohen Gadol enters the Holy of Holies wearing his special garments, Esther entered the inner sanctum of King Achashveirosh. And just as Esther found favor in the eyes of the king, so, too, we hope to find favor in the eyes of Hashem and to achieve forgiveness.
    What comparison is there between the avodah of the Kohen Gadol on Yom Kippur and the actions taken by Esther at that critical juncture of the story of Purim? His entering the holiest place in the world – with the ketores to effect forgiveness for Yisrael – is the holiest of actions. Her entering and offering herself to the king was arguably one of tumah and defilement.
    Is there anything in the method through which forgiveness is achieved on Yom Kippur that is similar to the forgiveness on Purim?

    #2129607
    Menachem Shmei
    Participant

    As Abukspan mentioned, the connection between Yom Kippur and Purim is already mentioned in Tikkunei Zohar. The Lubavitcher Rebbe explains the connection at length according to chassidus (originally explained by the Baal Hatanya in Torah Ohr).

    The idea in short is that when we do an aveira we break the regular connection to Hashem which is dependent on our fulfilment of mitzvos. Teshuva means that we reach a higher level of connection which is not affected whatsoever by our aveiros. When we tune in to this connections, we are cleansed from our aveiros.

    Like Yom Kippur, Purim is also associated with this connection, which is the reason that Hashem’s name isn’t mentioned in the Megilla, since it is connected to Atzmus – higher than any name or description. This is also the idea of עד דלא ידע on Purim – we reach a level which is completely higher than any intellect, even higher than the regular intellect of Torah kvayochol (בין ארור המן לברוך מרדכי).

    See at length here: https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19850&st=&pgnum=42

    #2129777
    abukspan
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    The sefarim (Alshich, Binah Le’Ittim) explain that Haman was only able to bring us to the brink of disaster because we were fragmented and without unity. This is alluded to in his words to the king: “Yeshno am echad mefuzar u’meforad – There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed” (Esther 3:8). He was invoking the truism: “United we stand, divided we fall,” and he knew the time was right to strike. In this case, the cure had to be an all-out campaign to promote unity. Esther told Mordechai, “Leich kenos es kol haYehudim – Go gather all the Jews” (ibid. 4:16). If the problem came about due to a lack of unity, the solution could only be realized when we were all gathered together and able to function and act as one.
    This explains the statement in the Gemara (Megillah 13b), “Hikdim shikleihem lishkalav.” Hashem had the Jews’ half-shekel, during the 40 years in the desert, precede and counteract the shekalim of Haman, which were offered to buy the right to destroy the Jews. What impact did the giving of the coins centuries before have against Haman’s coins in the here and now?
    The point behind the half-shekel is to convey that I am not self-sufficient and I can’t do it alone. The most I can contribute is a half, and I need the other person to complete the whole. By commanding the Yidden to give the machatzis hashekel on a yearly basis, starting with the command to Moshe, Hashem inculcated and instilled within the Yidden this facility – the ability to join as one. Whatever my station in life, I am still only a piece of the puzzle, one strand in the beautiful tapestry that is Klal Yisrael.
    That is why when Esther issued her call to have all the people gather, we were able to rise to the challenge. From being scattered and open to attack, we were able to create an impenetrable phalanx, impervious to whatever Haman brought to bear.
    Therefore, the mitzvos on Purim relate primarily to the promotion of friendship and unity among our people: mishloach manos – sending gifts to our friends; matanos la’evyonim – gifts to the poor; and mishteh ve’simchah – drinking and celebrating during a meal.
    Haman claimed we were spread out and scattered, with our defenses down; at the behest of Esther, we united and it was our enemies who fell!
    Let’s see how the same idea works for Yom HaKippurim.
    There is an old dilemma discussed in our sefarim hakedoshim. Some mitzvos are specific to a Kohen and not a Levi, others to a Levi and not a Yisrael, and still others apply to a king and no one else. So how can one individual keep all the mitzvos?
    First, learning about a mitzvah can count as fulfilling it. This is as it says in Hoshea (14:3), “U’neshalmah farim sefaseinu – Let our lips substitute for bulls.” Learning about the mitzvah of korbanos can be equivalent to keeping that mitzvah. Rashi (Yoma 36b) tells us that on Yom Kippur, when the chazzan recites the avodah, it is considered as if we have offered the sacrifices mentioned there. We can bring the same point regarding Torah study. It says in the Mishnah (Pe’ah), “ve’salmud Torah keneged kulam – and Torah study is equivalent to them all.” Perhaps this can be understood to mean that Torah study is the one mitzvah through which all others can be fulfilled.
    There is, however, another explanation. If we truly personify the full extent of “Ve’ahavta le’rei’acha kamocha – Love your fellow as yourself” (Vayikra 19:18), where my success is your success and my suffering is your suffering, then Hashem will consider us as one united people and treat us accordingly. True, no individual can keep all the mitzvos, but as a unified group, we can share the merit for the mitzvos done by others in the group. (See also Ohr HaChaim on Parashas Pekudei 39:32.)
    This was attested to by a miracle that was, according to some, unique to Yom Kippur. The neis of “omdim tzefufim u’mishtachavim revachim – the people stood crowded together, yet bowed down with ample space” (Avos 5:7), which was one of the ten miracles that happened in the Beis HaMikdash. What was the mechanism of this miracle?
    Their level of humility, which came along with achdus, was the critical factor. “Omdim” – When they stood upright, “be’komah zekufah” – with their nose in the air, “tzefufim” – they felt crowded with no tolerance for another; “u’mishtachavim” – when they bowed, lowering their stature and loving their fellow, “revachim” – there was plenty of room for all.
    Perhaps this concept can be used to answer our question regarding forgiveness on Yom Kippur. Hashem performs this miracle in the Beis HaMikdash to show us the nature of the greatest miracle, our forgiveness on Yom Kippur. Just as the phenomenon of the Temple expanding to hold us all was a result of our togetherness and humility, so, too, the kapparah on Yom Kippur is the result of the same achdus and unity. When we get off our high horse and realize that we are all one, miracles occur, including the miracle of physical expansion and the miracle of Divine forgiveness.
    We can now explain a highlight of the avodah on Yom Kippur, which is when the Kohen Gadol enters the Holy of Holies with the incense. Incense is made by grinding down spices. It is the pulverizing and grinding that releases the aroma; the finer the grind, the more potent the scent. All year long, the daily incense is finely ground. On Yom Kippur, however, it is processed even further, making it a powdery product with no identifiable parts (Rashi, Vayikra 16:12).
    Perhaps the Kohen Gadol who enters the Kodesh HaKodashim with the fine powder of the ketores is symbolic of the united Klal Yisrael, in which there are no distinguishable parts. He is representing a people who has bowed down in tolerance, just like the finely ground powder of the incense, in an indivisible group. If we stand united, viewing ourselves as one, Hashem, in His compassion, will treat us as such.
    Now we can explain the Zohar, which compares the Kohen Gadol entering the Kodesh HaKodashim to Esther, who entered the inner chamber of Achashveirosh. Just as the Kohen Gadol enters with the strength of a united Klal Yisrael behind him – as symbolized by the ketores – so did Esther enter with the strength of a united Klal Yisrael behind her. That is why Purim is named after Yom Kippurim; they both represent a victory predicated on the unity and indivisibility of Klal Yisrael.
    I heard from Rav Nachum Lansky that according to this logic, it is not surprising that the heroes of the Purim story are named Mordechai and Hadassah. Hadassah, Esther’s other name, means myrtle, suitable as a spice. The name Mordechai, writes the Gemara, is hidden in the words mar dror, pure myrrh, which is also a spice and is rendered by Targum as meira dachya, which sounds like Mordechai (Shemos 30: 23).
    Mordechai and Esther brought Klal Yisrael to a state of unity, much like the grinding of spices for the ketores.

    #2129805
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Rabbenu Bachaya explains on ולא יהי’ בהם נגף בפקוד אותם, the Jews as a whole are all tzadikim. When we are counting them, we separate the group and the bad will be revealed therefore Hashem reviews us on Rosh Hashanah together. כל ישראל יש להם חלק, together. When Bilam wanted to curse l’a, Bolok told him, to go to a place where he only sees part of them. When seeing all, he will not be able to accomplish anything. The holy Zohar in Parashas Terumah says, not to talk mundane things in shul as it creates a separation and drives Hashem out, who wants to reside in a unity with us by showing that one does not care if He dwells with us. אנכי עומד בין ה’ ובין עמכם The Baal Shem Tov says that the ego of one stands between Hashem and us,

    #2270957
    Reb Eliezer
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    Please bump.

    #2270968
    DaMoshe
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    Eliezer, is there a reason you constantly bump your own threads?

    #2270977
    Reb Eliezer
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    Even though that this is for YK, it is also for Purim.

    #2271001
    Sam Klein
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    Both holidays of Yom Kippur and Purim are very powerful days for tefilla/prayer in turning directly to Hashem for anything a person is in need of and to call our wholeheartedly to our loving father Hashem for help to give you whatever your in need of.

    May we all use these days to call our wholeheartedly together and beg Hashem to send Mashiach already bkarov.

    #2271118
    Reb Eliezer
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    I want people to contribute to the relevant topic.

    #2271487
    Sam Klein
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    Everything going on in the world has a message directly from Hashem. Where can we find the story of Purim with any relation to the current Israel-Hamas war?

    There are 167 pesukim in Megillas Esther.

    The year of the Israeli-Hamas war that was still in the midst of the war when Purim came. That year taanis Esther was pushed back to Thursday and Thursday was 167 days since the beginning of the Israeli-Hamas war which started on October 7th 2023. How does that shock you? How does that grab you?

    #2271568
    HaLeiVi
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    It’s just like Yom Kippur. Who could eat?

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