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  • #588393

    feivel
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    a few years ago i drank massive amounts of water Erev Yom Kippur (maybe 8 liters)

    i had a very severe headache the next morning. turns out it was ‘hyponatremia” a dilution of the concentration of sodium (and other critical atoms) in the bloodstream.

    worst headache i ever had

    turns out hyonatremia can be FATAL, lo aleynu, even if caused (it has many causes) by drinking too much water.

    i once read a case report in the medical literature of a man who drank water all day long, for a few days, because it helped his toothache. he died from hyponatremia

    this is not an urban legend

    #897597

    Joseph
    Participant

    Feivel, How much water did you consume that Erev Yom Kippur?

    #897598

    feivel
    Participant

    joseph

    from last post:

    “(maybe 8 liters)”

    but i really dont remember

    i just recall forcing more and more water down, as much as i could stand, about every hour. i didnt measure it.

    if someone tries to drink Erev Yom Kippur much more that usual but stays within reason, i dont think there would be a problem. i was clearly acting beyond the realm of reasonableness.

    #897599

    anon for this
    Participant

    Feivel wrote that he drank around 8 liters; since a liter is about a quart he drank about 2 gallons.

    Of course hyponatremia, also called water intoxiaction, is not an urban legend. A woman died of it about two years ago after participating in a contest held by a radio station (contestants were encouraged to drink as much water as possible without using the bathroom).

    Thanks for this warning.

    #897600

    squeak
    Participant

    I think he said, close to one gallon (since they don’t use liters in Queens County).

    #897601

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Was told by a physician that if you try to drink extra water before a fast when you are not thirsty, you will excrete it all and then some shortly thereafter, so not a good idea.

    #897602

    feivel
    Participant

    since people are interested:

    it was many years ago

    trying to reconstruct it in terms of gallons

    was probably between 2-3 gallons

    pahuteh Yid

    according to my recollection of kidney physiology, i disagree with what your physician said

    most will be excreted within a few hours, but it will not pull extra water with it, and some of the water will oversaturate the tissues and its excretion will be much later. anecdotally also, i believe it does help (not a proof)

    #897603

    mariner
    Member

    Water intoxication (also known as hyperhydration or water poisoning) is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water.[1] Normal, healthy (both physically and nutritionally) individuals have little to worry about accidentally consuming too much water. Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals have resulted either from water drinking contests, in which individuals attempt to consume more than 10 liters (3 gallons) of water over the course of just a few minutes, or long bouts of intensive exercise during which electrolytes are not properly replenished, yet massive amounts of fluid are still consumed.

    the rest is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

    #897604

    Feif Un
    Participant

    There was a case of this last year that was highly publicized – a radio station held a water-drinking contest, and someone died. A doctor said it was because of the electrolyte balance being off. All you have to do is drink something with electrolytes, such as Powerade, and you’ll be ok.

    #897605

    Mayan_Dvash
    Participant

    The right answer would be BALANCE. e.g. chase your water with a little power-ade type of drink.

    #897606

    nameless
    Member

    They say to drink water with lemon juice before the fast. Apparantly the lemon keeps the fluid in the body for a long period of time.

    #897607

    ZachKessin
    Member

    Also drinking a HUGE amount of water probably won’t do you a a lot of good, your body will just get rid of it in the normal way. But do drink some extra!

    #897608

    yoshi
    Member

    This is a great point to bring up, because many people don’t think you can “over” drink fluids. A fast is going to be hard, whether you drink a lot or not, but to make it a bit more bearable, make sure the day Before Yom Kippur, you eat sufficient amounts of nutrients that your body needs. Also, take in extra electrolytes (sodium or potassium)(many sport drink companies started selling sugar free sport drinks, although sport drinks don’t contain as much electrolytes as one thinks), B-vitamins , and healthy Carbs (brown rice, whole grains).

    #897609

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    In honor of Tisha B’Av:

    SiBi™

    Say i Bumbed it™!

    #897610

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    MODS: Maybe you can change the title to “Yom Kippur?Tisha B’Av Warning!”?

    SiDi™

    #897611

    “MODS: Maybe you can change the title to “Yom Kippur?Tisha B’Av Warning!”?”

    I second that.

    #897612

    You had your finger on the SHIFT key when you pressed /

    #897613

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    Yes I did. Lets try again:

    MODS: Maybe you can change the title to “Yom Kippur/Tisha B’Av Warning!”?

    And The Chassidishe Gatesheader agrees!

    #897614

    Rough Rider
    Member

    poland spring not poland summer

    #897615

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    Thanks Mod(s?)!! You’re the greatest!!!

    SiDi™

    #897616

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Yup, I was also told by a nutritionist that if you want to be totally hydrated for a fast, you should start drinking the proper daily amounts two weeks in advance. Chugging a ton of water erev-fast is counterproductive because you can’t absorb it fast enough, and it causes you to wash out your electrolytes that conduct nerve impulses from the brain.

    #897617

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Interesting side note, some people nowadays have started using pills that supposedly make fasting easier. This year, it might be problematic to take that pill before the fast since that could be hachona on Shabbos for after.

    #897618

    Mods – maybe you can make this thread sticky until after Yom Kippur?

    #897619

    Mods – maybe you can make this thread sticky until after Yom Kippur?

    I like that idea. Mods please sticky this.

    #897620

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    The Chassidishe Gatesheader: I don’t like sticky threads. Nobody notices them! Before Y”K we can Bump™ the thread again!

    SiBi™

    #897621

    mw13
    Participant

    If you would drink powerade or gatorade, which contains sodium and electrolytes, along with the water I would imagine that would help avoid hyponatremia (though I have absolutely no medical experience, only guessing).

    #897622

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant
    #897623

    Sam2
    Participant

    mw13: It helps, but too much of those can cause it also. I believe the experts say don’t drink more than 3 times your normal water intake. And if you drank a ton and start to feel thirstier every time you drink, do NOT drink more and call a doctor immediately.

    #897624

    Health
    Participant

    Sam – I don’t drink excessively before a fast and not really any more than normal. Chazal/Torah got it right -they said to eat Erev YK. And this principle would apply to other fasts. Foods contain water. Some people eat pasta and/or other complex carbs that take a long time to digest. As these things are slowly digesting they release water. Excessive drinking beforehand can cause Health problems. But I do drink a lot after the fast. I try to start with a Powerade/Gatorade. But this year -I’m gonna start with a Beer!

    #897625

    The_Cool_Jew
    Member

    BUMP!!

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