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  • #607219

    WIY
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    You are pareve, what will you be eating these latkes with? 🙂

    #911526

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Sour cream and apple sauce. If I want meat after, I’d wash out my mouth, eat some crackers, make the bracha acharona, and fress.

    #911527

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    A fork.

    #911528

    ready now
    Participant

    Herring or jam or apple sauce.

    #911529

    GeshmakMan
    Participant

    A fork

    #911530

    I wasnt and I wont be for another couple o’ days

    #911531

    SaysMe
    Member

    applesauce!!

    #911532

    sof davar
    Member

    a steak

    #911533

    Nechomah
    Participant

    My niece likes hers with ketchup and I have to admit it is quite yummy!!!

    #911534

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Apple sauce or sour cream Or even better, a little of both.

    #911535

    WIY
    Member

    OOM and GeshmakMan

    They taste better if eaten by hand.

    #911536

    GeshmakMan
    Participant

    There are numerous Issurim related to eating foods (especially the size of the Avg Latke) with your hands.

    A Ben Torah should always eat with utensils as it is more Mechubedike than eating with ones barehands.

    #911537

    tzaddiq
    Member

    my wife and kids.

    (‘snort’ to all you cornheads, no, i am not a cannibal)

    #911538

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Herring with Latkes???

    I think Ill pass on that one

    #911539

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    There are numerous Issurim related to eating foods (especially the size of the Avg Latke) with your hands.

    Numerous Issurim?

    Please list some of them off for us.

    In addition, there are plenty of foods the size of a latke or larger where it is perfectly all right to eat them with one’s hands (although, I’ll admit, a latke itself is not one of them).

    A Ben Torah should always eat with utensils as it is more Mechubedike than eating with ones barehands.

    Always???? Should a Ben Torah eat a bagel with a fork and knife? How about a matzah?

    The Wolf

    #911540

    WIY
    Member

    GeshmakMan

    I was actually joking but I cant honestly say I never ate a latke with my hands. Especially a small one…

    #911541

    Wisey
    Participant

    In Siman ?? it says that it is not Derech Eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitzah.

    #911542

    with a burger and fries

    #911543

    funnybone
    Participant

    +1 Sof Davar

    #911544

    ready now
    Participant

    Latkes are too greasy to handle-use a fork.

    #911545

    JustHavingFun
    Participant

    Ketchup, applesauce, those are the usual pareve choices. But you didn’t say if we’re having to stay pareve, so this is a real brain teaser!

    🙂

    I sure hope the frozen ones go on sale soon!

    #911546

    shmendrick
    Member

    my mouth.

    #911547

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    There are numerous Issurim related to eating foods (especially the size of the Avg Latke) with your hands.

    You know what? I just had a nice sandwich, without giving a second thought to your “numerous issurim.” I also had potato chips without using a fork and knife too. Yeah, I’m just a lawbreakin’ type-a-guy.

    The Wolf

    #911548

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    In Siman ?? it says that it is not Derech Eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitzah.

    A. Not derech eretz <> “numerous issurim” (and yes, I realize that you are not the one who said it involved “numerous issurim.”)

    B. That may not apply to foods that are normally eaten in that manner (such as a bagel, for example).

    C. It may also be something that is dependent on the style and custom of the culture. For example, I always tell my kids to cut their meat small enough to eat it in one bite (which fits in quite nicely with the S”A on the matter). However, I would never tell them to cut a candy bar with a knife in that manner, since the normal way of eating one in our society is to bite it off the end.

    The Wolf

    #911549

    Wisey
    Participant

    Mishna Berurah- acc. to Beis Yosef not derech eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitza

    Piskei T’shuvos- some say that if a food is eaten that way it is muttar. Some say still it is proper to be machmir.

    Maharsha- it is proper to always eat with utensils

    #911550

    oomis
    Participant

    Latkes are eaten either with sour cream (my preference) or applesauce. Anything else is “k’lo derech hateva” (or hataiveh, either) 😉

    #911551

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Mishna Berurah- acc. to Beis Yosef not derech eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitza

    Again, not derech eretz doesn’t mean that it’s an issur. And furthermore, whether or not something is considered derech eretz can depend heavily on cultural norms.

    Maharsha- it is proper to always eat with utensils

    Did the Maharsha eat his matzah with utensils? And, even if he did, is it possible that that was the cultural norm in the place and time where he lived? It is possible that there were few, if any, foods in his time where it would have been considered acceptable to do so but perhaps, in our time, such foods exist?

    Or do you really think the Maharsha would say that one should cut up his black and white cookie and his Snickers bar with a fork and knife?

    The Wolf

    #911552

    rebdoniel
    Member

    I once made latkes fried in goose fat and schmaltz, and ate them with a homemade berry-citrus sauce and Tofutti sour cream mixed with shopped garlic and parsley. They were to die for.

    #911553

    batseven
    Participant

    rebdoniel- glad u didnt

    #911554

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Other ideas for gourmet latkes:

    Latkes topped with Russian or 1000 Island Dressing, Sauerkraut, and Melted Swiss Cheese

    Latkes topped with sour cream, chives, caviar, and smoked salmon

    Fleishig latkes fried in schmaltz, topped with braised shredded beef cheeks in red wine and mirepoix

    #911555

    WIY
    Member

    Batseven

    Based on the fat content, if he eats enough of those he will!

    #911556

    just my hapence
    Participant

    rebdoniel – Caviar?! As far as I’m aware caviar is made from the roe of sturgeon, and therefore not kosher. Unless there is some other kind of caviar that I am unaware of…

    #911557

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Caviar is just a generic term for fish roe. If a kind of fish is kosher, its caviar is kosher, as well.

    Sturgeon happens to be a nonkosher fish we eat caviar from. (Although sturgeon is/was considered kosher by some, similar to the case of swordfish).

    There is plenty of kosher caviar, which comes from species like salmon, whitefish, etc.

    In fact, one can even buy Kronos-brand Taramosalata, a Greek caviar dip, under Kof K.

    When I make these latkes, I purchase Kosher Black Whitefish Caviar with an OU from Marky’s. It is about $62 for a pound.

    And, because latkes fried in goose fat and schmaltz are so unhealthy, I do limit them to Chanukah. I buy rendered goose fat from Aaron’s Gourmet in Queens, at $17 a pound, which makes this method of preparation far from economical, so it is a rare treat.

    Originally, latkes were prepared in goose fat in the medieval days, and they were eaten with chrein.

    I find the idea of compote with goose latkes to be better, though, since when people traditionally roasted goose, they would serve it with something fruity. Roast goose with a fruit compote is heavenly.

    #911558

    Poster
    Member

    Ketchup

    #911559

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    uh….booze?

    #911560

    WIY
    Member

    Rebdoniel

    Sturgeon is not kosher and neither is its caviar. You can eat what you want but don’t lump the rest of us into this and say “we eat.” Sturgeon caviar from the non kosher sturgeon fish is caviar that Rebdoniel eats. There that’s an honest sentence.

    #911561

    just my hapence
    Participant

    rebdoniel – I didn’t know that. I was always under the impression that caviar was specifically sturgeon roe. Thanks for the information.

    #911562

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Ii never had ketchup on a latke, but Ii do like ketchup on hash browns.

    #911563

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    RD is there any aspect of yiddishkeit you are not an expert on?

    #911564

    rebdoniel
    Member

    I made a typo. I personally wouldn’t eat sturgeon or swordfish, including their roe. If you read that sentence in its entirety and the logical structure, you’d see that I meant to write we don’t eat sturgeon caviar BUT:

    The Noda biYehuda pasqened that sturgeon was kosher (Mahadura Tinyana YD #28), even though they tried censoring this.

    And the Kenesset haGedolah pasqened that swordfish was kosher, and Rav Hershel Schachter has eaten it.

    #911565

    rebdoniel
    Member

    So if you say that sturgeon is treif, you’re defaming the Noda Bi Yehuda.

    #911566

    just my hapence
    Participant

    rebdoniel – never had ketchup on a latke?! I didn’t know there was any other way! It’s a great combo.

    #911567

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There are items that many wont eat like Chalav Stam, but any Rov will not tell you they are Treif. There is no Averiah for eating Haagan Daze other than it being extremely fattening.

    Very few Ravs will say its ok to eat Sturgen even if there are a few opionions that say its kosher

    #911568

    GeshmakMan
    Participant

    I could be wrong but I would think that it’s Assur to deliberately act w/o Derech Eretz.

    There is a reason Chazal made these Takanos, it is not becoming of a person to have his hands full of oil and dirt like some sort of animal.

    #911569

    WIY
    Member

    Rebdoniel

    It is not defaming the Noda Biyehuda when basically everyone disagrees with him. I am saying that this is how the poskim hold. Any time you say something is assur or mutar that is a matter of dispute you are taking a side. Taking a side is not defaming. There’s a way that psak works and we live our Torah lives based on these psakim.

    #911570

    rebdoniel
    Member

    R’ Shachter says it’s ok to eat swordfish. If something is mutar, it’s mutar. If it’s assur, it’s assur.

    And, I will try ketchup on a latke this year. If ketchup is good on the frozen hash brown patties I buy during the year for Sunday breakfast, than it should be good on a latke, too.

    #911571

    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    Crikey! When did I become pareve?? You can have the latkes – please pass the Haagan Dazs.

    #911572

    zen3344
    Participant

    A la bagel: lox, capers and onion. Not really sure about cream cheese on a latke.

    Rebdoniel: Latkes topped with Russian or 1000 Island Dressing, Sauerkraut, and Melted Swiss Cheese. OH…methinks I need to try this.

    #911573

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I could be wrong but I would think that it’s Assur to deliberately act w/o Derech Eretz.

    That’s a far cry from the “numerous issurim” you claimed. Do you know of numerous issurim, or were you just exaggerating for sake of… whatever?

    There is a reason Chazal made these Takanos, it is not becoming of a person to have his hands full of oil and dirt like some sort of animal.

    So now you’re backtracking from foods of a certain size to oily foods. Again, I ask you, should one eat matzah or a bagel with a fork and knife? What about a Snickers bar (or any other large candy bar?) What about ice cream from a cone?

    The Wolf

    #911574

    rebdoniel
    Member

    It is SOO good. Reuben-style latkes (the goyim put sauerkraut, swiss, and Russian with corned beef).

    Another idea I had was to use latkes for fondue.

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