April 26, 2017 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1262916
My Daf Yomi partner notices that the Misnayot often start with selling something to “Chavero”, his friend. He asked me a good question today.
What’s pshat with the word Chavero? Why chaver and not another word?
Does anyone have any insight?April 26, 2017 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1263333MenoParticipant
There’s a mishna in Sukkah that talks about buying a sh’mittah esrog from “chaveiro”. Rashi there points out that the word chaveiro means that the buyer and seller both have the same status (i.e. either both am ha’aretz or both talmid chochom) which has halachic significance in that case.
Don’t know if that helps for Bava Basra.April 26, 2017 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1263337
A couple ideas I had is that there is maybe a difference between a Ben Brit and an Akum, although I think that’s a bad answer.
Alternatively, I was thinking from a more mussardik standpoint. When you do business, treat the other person as your friend. Treat him fairly, at least.April 26, 2017 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #1263377Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
כל ישראל חבריםApril 26, 2017 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1263441AlizgitParticipant
A “Chaver” is a very important distinction in the context of Trumos and Massros as well as tumah. Possibly (l’fi aniyas dyti), Rebbi used the same term elsewhere:
(i) for uniformity;
(ii) because if its not a chaver there may be issues like bechor, maaser etc…;
(iii) it was used as that would be whom a person would be doing business with; or
(iv) its pleasant to use a term of endearment as we should think of our business associates and interactions as being among friends (e.g., trust, honesty).April 26, 2017 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1263654rebbi1Participant
Usually the term חבירו refers to another person/item similar to the first one. In בבא קמא it uses the term by two animals. So it doesn’t mean friend necessarily.April 27, 2017 7:10 am at 7:10 am #1263807HaLeiViParticipant
If the discussion would be about the seller then you’d be right, it should just say ˋone who sells`. However, we are discussing both the buyer and the seller.April 27, 2017 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1264129YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
(MDG – thanks for stopping in!)April 27, 2017 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1264252
Thank you, Mod-29May 3, 2017 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #1269495ZZZParticipant
See Shabbos Daf 150. The Mishna uses word Chaveiro and Rav Papa explained it to mean Chaveiro Akum. See also Sefas Emes beginning of that Perek.October 1, 2017 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1375187
I think that it’s time that this thread be closed.October 1, 2017 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1376290YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
Why, because you assume his post closed yours? A bit overreactive…..sorry.October 22, 2017 2:56 am at 2:56 am #1387764
But I was right, wasn’t I?October 22, 2017 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1387937
Please explain what you are referring to. Which thread?February 13, 2018 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #1468874
If you have to apologize for saying something, it’s better not to say it.February 15, 2018 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1470316Reb EliezerParticipant
Maybe it means a connection לשון חיבור through our נשמה look at גיליוני השס in Shabbos 150 above by ZZZ.
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