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May it be a year of learning Chasidus for a good life.
“Yud Tes Kislev” is NOT a real Jewish holiday, because:
It is NOT mentioned in Tanach.
It is NOT mentioned in Mishnah.
It is NOT mentioned in Talmud.
It is NOT mentioned in Midrash.
It is NOT mentioned in Gaonim.
It is NOT mentioned in Rishonim.
It is NOT mentioned in Shulchan Aruch.We already have more-than-enough real Jewish holidays,
without also accepted the false holiday of “Yud Tes Kislev”.Everything that I just said about “Yud Tes Kislev” is even more true
concerning the fake false phoney Ethiopian holiday of “Sigd”.Forget Yed Tes, lets focus on Chof Aleph Kislev
There are actually מקורות in Poskim for making a private Yom Tov to thank Hashem for a personal ישועה or נס. This is especially true when an entire community was saved. So there is Purim of T’veria on Dalet Kislev (saved from attacking army), Purim Saragossa sometime in Sh’vat (miraculously saved from antisemitic libel and decree of expulsion), and “Farhang (Curtains) Purim” in Prague (community leader accused of stealing the fabulously expensive gold embroidered royal curtains, resultant threat of expulsion/pogrom, true culprit miraculously exposed), just to name a few of the more famous ones. Rav Shmuel HaNagid (saved from battle), the Rambam (saved at sea), the P’nei Yehoshua (saved from a collapse of his house and fire), Rebbe Nosson Adler, the Chayei Adam (Tes Vav Kislev, saved from an explosion of a gunpowder arsenal next to his house), and the Ba’al Shem Tov (saved from pirates/privateers off the coast of Turkey on Acharon Shel Pesach on the way to Eretz Yisroel), and quite a few more all had personal days of “Purim Katan”. Since the Ba’al HaTanya was imprisoned not as a private citizen, but as the leader of his Chassidim, he and his followers considered his release to be a communal ישועה worthy of being celebrated לדורות. If you don’t want to celebrate, you don’t have to, but those who do are well within the framework of Halacha. (There were some Acharonim who did disagree with this concept, but all those mentioned, as well as Maharam Alashkar and the Chassam Sofer who wrote explicitly in their Teshuvos to permit such celebrations, did hold it was מותר and even meritorious to do so.)
By the way, all of those who permit or recommend celebrating various other events of the last century, which (based on your other posts) are probably dear to you, base their היתר/פסק on the aforementioned sources and precedents…
It’s also more than a little strange (or even borderline כפירה) of you to say “We already have more-than-enough real Jewish holidays,”. That’s what Haman said to Achashveirosh, and that ended with another Jewish holiday…
Chanukah is not mentioned explicitly in Tanach, barely mentioned בדרך אגב in Mishnah, and takes up only about a Daf and a half in Gemara, but every Jewish child knows all about it. So הנח להם לישראל, Baruch Hashem we have what to celebrate.
Apparently you don’t know anything that predates zionism. Different communities had their own yomim tovim dating back centuries. If it doesn’t mean anything to you, ignore it.
There is nothing wrong, and a lot of right, celebrating a miracle that happened to someone and to his ancestors. If chassidim feel attached to a Rebbe to whom a miracle happened, what is wrong with that?
That said, relationships between chassidim/misnagdim and Russian government was “complicated”. People from both groups tried to use the government against the other at some moment, and the government, in turn, used the fighting to impose themselves on the Jewish community.
10+ years later during Napoleon invasion of Russia, Alter Rebbe was a daas yachid who supported the Czar. While all other chassidim/misnagdim weere looking to an end of Russian occupation of Poland, Alter Rebbe was (1) fearful of assimilation that would follow liberation (2) realistically felt that the Czar is not going anywhere … (and Lubavitch was more to the east of other groups).
Was being freed from the prison related to the future cooperation? I don’t know.
Its mentioned shaalos utshuvos min hashmayim as an auspicious day.
Maseches Taanis lists holidays we had during BM times.
In response to @Always_Ask_Questions –
You mentioned “relationships between chassidim/misnagdim and Russian government was “complicated”. People from both groups tried to use the government against the other at some moment”I have to intervene here – Chassidim have NEVER used the government against the Misnagdim, ch”v. It was consistently and irrefutably prohibited by the Chassidic leaders to engage in ANY sort of direct opposition to those who opposed them. ONLY by spreading the light of Chassidus and through positive deeds of Torah and Mitzvos were they to continue their holy work.
To the group
Several years ago, Dovid Lichtenstein interviewed a Talmid of Rav Shach and asked him what bothered the Gadol Hador about the Rebbe. This Rabbi answered that it was two things. First, he was annoyed by the proliferation of Chabad holidays which indicated the formation of a new religion. Second, Rav Shach didn’t appreciate the Rebbe butting into Israeli politics. He felt, correctly, that he was the Gadol in Israel and the Rebbe had no right to get involved. Of course, the Rebbe felt that he was Nosi of Israel from the time he was three years old. Yesterday, a thread began on VIN announcing that there was a Yud Tes Kislev event in Lakewood. One fellow commented, “All real Yidden learn Chabad Chassidus.” No all real Yidden learn Gemara. If they have time in the day, they can also learn Chassidus, but not necessarily the Chabad variety. Rabbi Shmuel Butman used to have a radio program on Motzei Shabbos. He would routinely say, “When Moshiach comes there will be no more Shnayim Ochzin Bitalis.” Yes, there will be Shnayim Ochzin Bitalis, but only the Kabbalistic interpretations of the Gemara.” He would continue, “For two thousand years those Rosh Yeshivas have had their fun, but their time is coming to an end.” I don’t believe that all Lubavichers have this attitude, but it’s not uncommon. The Gemara is forever and it’s the Ikkar of Torah study.
I did not explain enough. That was my fault. So I will try again:
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“Yud Tes Kislev” is associated with a community of Jews that has
their own “Melech HaMashiach” that no other community has.“Yud Tes Kislev” is associated with a community of Jews that has
their own “Navi” [prophet] that no other community has.“Yud Tes Kislev” is associated with a community of Jews that has [or had]
their own Elokist movement that no other community has [or had].“Yud Tes Kislev” is associated with a community of Jews that has
their own Shulchan Aruch that no other community has.“Yud Tes Kislev” is associated with a community of Jews which
believes that they are vastly superior to all other Orthodox Jews.Public celebrations of “Yud Tes Kislev” are sometimes made with
the hidden agenda of converting non-Chabad Jews to Chabad.Yud Tes Kisleiv was celebrated by Chabad before the “current” Rebbe’s grandfather was born.
Shulchan Aruch Harav doesn’t belong exclusively to Chabad. It’s no less valid than the Chayei Adam (which may or may not have predated it and if yes not by much) and the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch. Shulchan Aruch Harav is mentioned in the Mishna Berurah, referred to as Shulchan Aruch HaGRaZ.
To SQUARE_ROOT
I’d like to address your last three points. First, the Shulchan Aruch of the Baal Hatanya is totally Kosher and shouldn’t be challenged. Second, you’re absolutely right that Lubavichers are taught that they are the “Master Race of Judaism.” As Rabbi Sacks ZTL said, “The Rebbe studied Hitler and said that he would save every Jew to counter what that maniac did.” That’s not the only thing that Schneersohn learned from Hitler. He also learned how to take control of the minds of all his Chassidim. Finally, you said that Chabad has the hidden agenda to convert real Jews to their false religion. It’s not a hidden agenda. On Monday night Chabad held a major farbrengin in Lakewood in honor of Yud Tes Kislev. They’re crazy enough to think that they can take control of that bastion of Torah because they think the Rebbe runs the world. Tonight they’re staging another Yud Tes celebration in the Altneu Synagogue on the Upper East Side. The Baal Tefillah of the shul is Chabad so he probably arranged it. They play the “we accept every Jew” card and people think their religion is a valid representation of Judaism.
you are factually incorrect
they clearly did turn to the government
.even more – it seems that the first one to turn to the government were the hasidim
which in turn resulted in their opponents to do the same
which resulted in the baal hatanya famously imprisoned
the kahal seemed to belong to the mitnagdim
and was used to enforce the herem
which resulted in hasidim going to the government first …
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.> their own Shulchan Aruch that no other community has.
lots of communities have, or had, their own halachik books. Alter Rebbe was just slick enough to re-use the popular name (as did Kitzur).
The ignorance of the halachik system by the misnagdim blows the mind away. No wonder they don’t know halacha.
SQUARE ROOT:
While the Yeshiva world hides behinds its shtenders, “Chabadianity” has morphed into a new, idolatrous, rebbe worshiping religion, IE a new Xtianity.
It is now impossible to believe that Chabadianity represents anything other than a new form of Xtianity.
Just take a look at some of the videos on the “Moshiach Reality” youtube dot com channel.
“The Lubavitcher Rebbe is Atzmus U’mehus” (IE the rebbe is the essence of Hashem enclothed in a body L”HAVDIL).
“The Lubavitcher Rebbe – Resurrected Moshiach”
“The Lubavitcher Rebbe = History’s Greatest Manhig Leader”
“The Lubavitcher Rebbe Said He Is Moshiach” etc., etc.
There are many other Chabadianity websites using the idolatrous phrase “Rebbe shlita Melech Ha’Moshiach”.
Chabad apologists may claim that only a small minority believe the Meshichist claims, but I believe that is a subterfuge.
A large number, probably a majority of Chabadniks, attribute some form of supernatural qualities to the deceased Rebbe.
That is evident by the fact that very few Chabadniks write “the Rebbe ZT”L”, or something similar.
Querty – a small correction: All real Yidden (if you can use such a term) learn Gemarah. All real Yidden also do their best to do the Mitzvos of ואהבת את ה’ אלקיך, ידיעת ה”, אחדות ה’, עבודה שבלב זו תפלה etc.
Many people (especially those that are more intellectually inclined) find that the best way to accomplish this is through learning Chassidus Chabad. Others use other Chassidishe approaches, while others may find entirely other ways to accomplish these Mitzvos. However it is done, this not something which is just for “If they have time in the day”.
To yedl
Your point is valid. I was just responding to the Lubavicher on vin who said that all real Yidden learn Chabad Chassidus. But of course you’re right.
To Right Jew
You are 100 percent correct. Chabad likes to play the “it’s only a few crazies ” card but none of the leaders has ever challenged any of their insanities.
To lakewhut
I don’t understand your point. I never said anything about Chabad in Israel.
To Yankel Berel
I want to expand on your last post. Rabbi Chaim Miller wrote a respected translation of the Tanya. In the introduction he talks about the fighting between Chassidim and Misnagdim. He quoted the Baal Hatanya as saying that because of the vitriol of the Gaon, the blood of Chassidim flowed like water. There are several problems with that statement. First,cthe Gaon was 52 at the time and the undisputed Gadol Hador. The Alter Rebbe was only 27. He would never dare attack such a giant. Second, no Jews were actually killed during that contretemps. Third, if Chassidim would have been killed you can be sure that Misnagdim would have also died. Jews don’t turn the other cheek. I mentioned these points to my Rav, Rabbi Moshe Plutchok and he told me about the Kherson forgeries. Lubavichers forged letters and attributed them to the Baal Hatanya. This was to keep the war going. As an example when the Baal Hatanya came out of prison he ended up in the home of a Misnagid named Notkin. He said that the few hours he spent with Notkin were worse than the entire time he was imprisoned. Number one, that’s ridiculous. Second, it’s Loshon Hora and the Baal Hatanya would never intentionally sin. I’m amazed that Shimon Katz, who’s a very good Jew supports a religion of liars.
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Qwerty613, I am no fan of Chabad, but I think it is unfair to suggest that last Rebbe learned from Hitler.
I fully support most of your writings – but have an objection to the language you used here
1] habad does not believe they are the ‘master race’ … they happily accept anyone foolish enough to join them – that is the opposite of a ‘master race’ …
2] and they are non judgmental to all people provided that they do not actively oppose their missionary messianism
– also not a hallmark of a ‘master race’ …
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.@square root what you said applies all the more so to yom haatzmut aka yom hashmutz
To Yankel Berel and mdd1
Since your comments mirror each other I I’ll address them concurrently. SQUARE _ROOT said that Lubavichers think that they’re better than all other Jews. That’s factually true. Twenty years ago I attended a YI which had a Chabad Rabbi. He’s the one who said that the Rebbe is the reason the world was created. At the time his oldest daughter was ten years old. I asked him how he’d react if she fell in love with someone from Lakewood who learns. He told me that it’s a stupid question because Chabad is the highest form of Jew. I know an ex-Lubavicher who married a mainstream Jew. She told me that in school she was constantly told that Lubavichers are better than all other Jews. The fact that Chabad accepts all Jews into their club doesn’t negate the fact that Chabad thinks of themselves as the true representative of Judaism.
Now let’s look at the Hitler factor. Rabbi Sacks said that the Rebbe studied Hitler and said that the yms wanted to kill every Jew, I’ll save every Jew. That statement itself is troublesome as it’s an indication of his hubris. The Vilna Gaon said that everything one says is a lie. I don’t believe that the Rebbe’s real reason for building his Chabad Houses was to save Jews. I think he did so to fulfill his dream of global domination as Dr. Berger said. And I believe that he studied how Hitler taught his people that they are the Master Race and he similarly taught his Chassidim that they are better than all other Jews.
I thank you for challenging my statement but I stand by it. I would love to discuss this further and if you can refute me I will certainly recant my position.
not sure whether he learnt from hitler per se
but it does seem he learnt from all sorts of fascist and communist leaders who governed during his formative years
who succeeded in brainwashing millions …
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.think you missed the point —
I objected to the word ‘race’ only.
hitler did not accept anyone not born to the so called ‘correct race’
habad accepts everyone foolish enough to fall for their falsified belief system , no matter their genes .
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Just when I had an iyush, here is finally a coherent post in this thread.
To yankel berel
I was just making the point the Rebbe took ideas from the Nazis and the Communists. In no way am I equating Chabad with either of those two monstrous regimes.
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