YWN Coffee-room is lashon hara!!
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February 4, 2018 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #1461708
This coffee room was created as a way to discuss topics to help each other out. Instead, it makes generalizations about so many different types of people for all to see. There is enough antisemitism in the world we don’t need to discriminate against our own brothers! Mashiach is not coming any closer when all we could do is badmouth each other. How can we make the coffee-room a more spiritually safe place to be?February 4, 2018 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #1462111YPostParticipant
i agree 100%. The topics discussed and the amount of time wasted on discussing other people’s lives and thoughts is not appropriate for a Torah Jew. Let’s try to talk about other things besides lashon hara.February 4, 2018 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #1462120
so anyone have any ideas how to improve the standards of the coffeeroom or are you too busy circulating lashon hara?February 4, 2018 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1462128
Maybe you shouldn’t come here and bash us without knowing the culture?February 4, 2018 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1462137
wow! I didn’t know that there is a place in the Jewish culture to speak lashon hara! lo sailaich rachil b’amecha applies to every Jew. There are no exceptions to that halacha!February 4, 2018 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1462138
This thread is loshon hora.February 4, 2018 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #1462139DovidBTParticipant
so anyone have any ideas how to improve the standards of the coffeeroom or are you too busy circulating lashon hara?
In order to make a post, you must take an online class in a relevant middah, such as anavah, and pass a test on the content.February 4, 2018 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1462146Little FroggieParticipant
Anyone see the irony of the OP?February 4, 2018 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #1462151☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Is pointing out that the OP is lashon hora lashon hora? Is my question lashon hora? How about that one?February 4, 2018 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #1462150GadolhadorahParticipant
The level of dialogue here in the YWN CR is really outstanding. Every few weeks, there is some posting complaining that criticisim of other yidden by some participant or strong disagreement with a political view expressed by a well know rav is either lashon harah, mevazeh talmid chacom or apikorsus (or in some cases a trifecta of all three). By and large, the Mods seem to be trying to keep us on the high road without cutting off legitimate dissenting views. In many cases, there are facts and realities which some may regard as lashon harah but in reality must be stated and openly debated. Shutting down discussion in the name of avoiding someone else’s definition of “lashon horah” would substantially erode the valuie of this site.February 4, 2018 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1462164
Samantha101, your post violates multiple site rules.February 4, 2018 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #1462167YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
If you really believe you’re correct ,why the need to open two accounts to say soFebruary 4, 2018 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1462173iacisrmmaParticipant
samantha101: I am not sure how a new poster can determine why this room was created. While some posts can be determined to be L”H, we try to avoid it as best as possible. The moderators try their best to monitor the posts.February 4, 2018 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1462169
kudos to davidbt for your wonderful idea!February 4, 2018 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1462168
RebYidd23 so far you haven’t said anything in your defense other than that I’m wrong. Lets see you try to prove yourself right! GadolHadorah there is a way to argue without saying lashon hara. you should know that because you are a gadol hador so you should know the halachos.February 4, 2018 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1462212
Samantha101, same to you.February 4, 2018 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1462201GadolhadorahParticipant
As a gadol hador(ah), I know that when the topic is whether a certain askan, public official, Rav or poishete yid acted properly in doing XYZ, its not “lashon harah” to clearly present your view as to whether XYZ is an appropriate action, public policy etc. We read here often how in EY where Rabbonim are much more active in political debate, that certain rabbonim denigrate and use hyperbole with respect to those whose political views they disagree with yet when someone responds by criticizing the source of the negative comments, they themselves are criticized for using lashon harah w/o acknowledging the original source . Yes, there are ways to disagree without engaging in what you might consider lashon harah but many times, there is no way to avoid acknowledging what was said or done, even if it might “upset” some readers. If someone goes OTD (linguistically) that’s why the Ebeshter created “Mods”.February 4, 2018 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1462242YPostParticipant
I really don’t think the topic was written with bad intentions – Samantha101 is correct that people discussing other people all day will lead to the transgression of the terrible aveirah of loshon horah. Gossip is said constantly on this forum, I’m sorry to say.
And opening multiple accounts to second your own statements can lead to the transgression of the terrible aveirah of sock puppeting.February 5, 2018 7:10 am at 7:10 am #1462361
She’s clearly new.
She didn’t realize that opening 2 accounts is against the rules, and probably did not know the moderators can see your IP address and immediately see when two users have posted from the same computer.February 5, 2018 7:18 am at 7:18 am #1462382
The rules are stickied on the main page. Also, sock puppeting is obviously dishonest, and thinking you can get away with something is not an excuse.February 5, 2018 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #1462602
No one actually reads those before they post.
And we all are dishonest sometimes, we make mistakes.
Dan Likaf zechut people!February 5, 2018 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #1462738
I’m telling you I didn’t make two accounts. I guess someone else used the same computer as me or something cuz i would never do such a thing!
.February 8, 2018 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #1465913Uber_ChachamParticipant
@DaasYochid – That actually is a very geshmack sheila, which I’ve talked about with several Roshei HaYeshivos and talmidei chachamim (can one publicize or point out views that the stater believes are not problematic, but others do (and may be objectively as well) (where such statements do not make them into a rasha)). They all told me that it is probably muttar meikar hadin, as that is what the chofetz chaim is mashma, but that one probably shouldn’t do it anyway or try to find out such a thing (more problems with reading the news). Has anyone here heard anything about this?
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