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We lost our temple the first time because of the three cardinal sins. Despite the magnitude of these sins we merited to rebuild the temple only 70 years later.
That temple was destroyed because of sinas chinam and we have suffered estrangement and losing our connection to the eibeishter for 2000 YEARS (!!!) because of sinas chinam.
We are told we will not our temple back until we fix ourselves with ahavas chinam.
The Russians stole Jewish children from their families to serve in the army and separated them from Yiddishkeit. These children grew up without Torah. Do we spit on them because they don’t keep kosher? Do we reject them because they don’t keep Shabbos? No. They are our brothers and sisters. We love them regardless if they choose to come back or not. Perhaps one day they will and perhaps not. There is however NO chance they will bless H-Shem if we do not love them. They will CURSE H-Shem because we show them hate not love. And it’s OUR fault not theirs. They were never exposed to
Torah Judaism and its beauty. We were. It’s OUR JOB to love them and bring them to our loving Father.We are told that every generation the temple is not rebuilt it’s not that we didn’t merit to rebuild it. It’s that we actively destroyed it.
There has been so much lashon harah on this website and motzei Shem ra that H-Shem can’t not be disgusted with us. THIS is the profit or Torah others must be saying. THIS is what a Talmud chacham is? He calls himself so holy because he eats kosher and learns Torah and calls us Nazis? Someone not yet religious will see this and say I want nothing to do with Torah. I thought Torah was supposed to make one refined. It turns them into animals like these people.
It’s disgusting. Hate is very powerful and to be used very very carefully.
Many here live the story of the Chofetz Chaim where the community was acting poorly and he told everyone don’t use my name when you get to shomayim. When you get there they will want to punish you for lashon harah etc. and when I get to shomayim they will say there was a new in radin named Yisrael Meir and you will say I sinned but why don’t Yisrael Meir warn me? I am warning you now when you get to shomayim don’t use my name.
You think people michaleil Shabbos are delaying geulah? They were raised not knowing their right from their left. You here are supposedly talmid chachamim. You are so holy you keep kosher and Shabbos. And then you call yidden nazis. Don’t be so sure of yourselves. It is because of sinas chinam we don’t have king moshiach.
I think everyone here should stop saying anything negative u til learning Chofetz Chaim. I think many here may as well start eating non kosher – the lashon harah coming out of our mouths is worse than eating non kosher. G-d will forgive one by Himself. But He removed from Himself the power to forgive the other without mechilah from the victim.
NO MORE LASHON HARAH!!! Isn’t 2000 years without a temple enough for you? Do you want longer?
I WANT MOSHIACH NOW!!!
Me? What did I do?
“We are told we will not our temple back until we fix ourselves with ahavas chinam.” Who told you that. True, it was destroyed mainly because of sinas chinam, our Torah greats have told us many things to do to hasten his coming. (famously the Ohr HaChaim HaKadosh – learning Torah, etc)
“There has been so much lashon harah on this website and …” Hu?
“You think people michaleil Shabbos are delaying geulah? ” Maybe. Do you know?!?
“You here are supposedly talmid chachamim.” Me?
” the lashon harah coming out of our mouths is worse than eating non kosher.” Really? You’ve been “UP THERE”?
P.S. There are nice ways to convey a message, you need not foam at the keys.
@keith this is a completely anti-Torah rant of yours!
I don’t know your background, but what you are saying goes against Torah fundamentals as well taught by everyone from the Chofetz Chaim to the Baal HaTanya.>> We are told we will not our temple back until we fix ourselves with ahavas chinam.
No, “Ahavas chinam” is a zionist trope with no source in chazal.
>> Do we spit on them because they don’t keep kosher?
YES. ideologically yes. but, we Jews don’t generally resort to violence.>> Do we reject them because they don’t keep Shabbos?
YES. this is much worse than kashrus problems, as this places them outside of “klal yisroel”>> They are our brothers and sisters.
MAYBE. Someone who doesn’t keep kosher because of ta’avos is still a Jew that is “achicha b’mitzvos”. However, a michalel shabbos or someone who reject generally the obligation to keep the Torah (and even one who rejects tochaha about a single aveira, but that situation is more complex today…) are all NOT “achicha b’mitzvos”, they are NOT our “brothers and sisters”.>> We love them regardless if they choose to come back or not.
NO. Jews are not allowed to love those who rebel against the Torah, those who are not part of klal yisroel.>> Perhaps one day they will and perhaps not.
YES. The door for tshiva is always open. Maybe they will come back. We shouldn’t reject them if they want to do tshivah.>> There is however NO chance they will bless H-Shem if we do not love them.
NO. Tshiva is not dependent on anything except for each individual’s free choice. They, like anyone, cannot blame others for not making the right choices.>> They will CURSE H-Shem because we show them hate not love.
MAYBE. There is usually little reason to tell anyone outside of Klal Yisroel that you hate them.>> And it’s OUR fault not theirs.
What is our fault?>> They were never exposed to Torah Judaism and its beauty.
MAYBE. Many secular Jews have been exposed to Judaism, and that makes their sins even worse. Regardless, this doesn’t change how WE JEWS are obligated to relate to such an evil person regardless of their exposure.>> We were. It’s OUR JOB to love them and bring them to our loving Father.
NO. Our job is literally to keep the mitzvos of the Torah. While it is generally a kiddish Hashem when a baal tshiva returns, that is very far from creating a new mitzvah – chalila – of us bringing them back. Certainly, we cannot make a mitzvah from the sin of loving a rusheh,>> We are told that every generation the temple is not rebuilt it’s not that we didn’t merit to rebuild it. It’s that we actively destroyed it.
YES. Stop loving reshoyim.>>Many here live the story of the Chofetz Chaim … I am warning you now when you get to shomayim don’t use my name.
Yes the Chofetz Chaim was very explicit in his teaching about how one must hate and curse reshoyim like the ones we are talking about here. He warned you, @keith>> You think people michaleil Shabbos are delaying geulah?
No. They aren’t part of Klal Yisroel. The sins of Jews, like those who think well on kofrim and apekorosim, are the ones delaying geila.>>I think everyone here should stop saying anything negative u til learning Chofetz Chaim.
Please, take your own advice. You clearly haven’t learned it yet.>> I think many here may as well start eating non kosher – the lashon harah coming out of our mouths is worse than eating non kosher.
This is kefira. We don’t allow aveiras in lieu of other shortcomings. We don’t say one mitzvah is worthless because of another one is lacking.Please, take your own advice and learn the sugya that you speak about.
Keith:
“There has been so much lashon harah on this website and motzei Shem ra that H-Shem can’t not be disgusted with us. THIS is the profit or Torah others must be saying. THIS is what a Talmud chacham is? He calls himself so holy because he eats kosher and learns Torah and calls us Nazis? Someone not yet religious will see this and say I want nothing to do with Torah. I thought Torah was supposed to make one refined. It turns them into animals like these people.”Please seek out a competent Local Orthodox Rabbi.
Please indicate where you have seen any actual lashon haRa. This is an anonymous site where presumably nobody knows anyone else.
Also, the gemara tells us that any talmid chacham who does not bite and take revenge like a snake is not a talmid chacham. So, you might want to ask your Local Orthodox Rabbi about that as it relates to your concern here.“Hate is very powerful and to be used very very carefully.”
This is true. As well, King David says in Psalms “Halo misanecha Hashem esna uViskomemecha eskotat; tachlis sina saneisim….” Pretty powerful stuff, which you can also bring to your local orthodox rabbi.Perhaps most importantly, nobody is denigrating any Jews who simply don’t know any better. They certainly are to be prayed for rather than hated, of course. But the wicked Zionists know very well that they are fighting a world war against G-d, His Torah and His people.
Finally, your diagnosis about the cause of the continued galus is not the same as that of our greatest Torah sages. So, you might want to inquire about that, too.
Anti-Zionist fanatics like UJM & HaKatan are
de facto allies of: Hamas, Hezbollah & the Ayatollahs of Iran.I hate everything about this post. Like every sentence is xtian nonsense, none of it is sourced in our Torah. Our Torah does teach Mesonai Hashem Esna Vim Kol Mitkommecha Etkotat
Also, the first temple p/second temple nonsense, the second temple may have been destroyed because of Baseless Hatred (note: only baseless, not all hatred), but to say it hasn’t been redeemed only because of Baseless hatred? Do you even realize how much idol worship and immorality Jews in our generation commit?
Somejewiknow, if a secular Jew really has never been exposed to Yiddishkeit, he is a tinok she nishba.
Katan, please confirm that you showed your posts to a rav and he confirmed that these are appropriate expressions.
Words from the Bostoner Rebbe, shlita from this weeks Torah Insights: “Some of our fellows Jews may have failings in many areas of observance, but there are many who fulfill the Mitzvos of Kashrus, as well as the separation of Milk and Meat, and we should not dismiss them, but rather recognize that over time this spiritual nourishment will lead to increased fear of Heaven. This is especially true in Eretz Yisroel, where Kashrus standards across the country providing Kosher food for non-observant people, who would otherwise be eating non-Kosher. This includes people who serve in the Israel Defense Forces, fly El Al, are admitted to Israeli hospitals, etc.
May this increased fear of Heaven, through adhering to the Mitzvos of forbidden foods through the everyday act of eating, lead to a united Klal Yisroel that will “accept upon themselves the yoke of Your Kingship that You may reign over them soon and eternally” and speedily bring the day when “Hashem will be King over all the world, and on that day, Hashem will One and His Name will be One.”
From the Bostoner Rebbe, shlita in this week’s Torah Insights: “Some of our fellows Jews may have failings in many areas of observance, but there are many who fulfill the Mitzvos of Kashrus, as well as the separation of Milk and Meat, and we should not dismiss them, but rather recognize that over time this spiritual nourishment will lead to increased fear of Heaven. This is especially true in Eretz Yisroel, where Kashrus standards across the country providing Kosher food for non-observant people, who would otherwise be eating non-Kosher. This includes people who serve in the Israel Defense Forces, fly El Al, are admitted to Israeli hospitals, etc.
May this increased fear of Heaven, through adhering to the Mitzvos of forbidden foods through the everyday act of eating, lead to a united Klal Yisroel that will “accept upon themselves the yoke of Your Kingship that You may reign over them soon and eternally” and speedily bring the day when “Hashem will be King over all the world, and on that day, Hashem will One and His Name will be One”
israeli doc, thanks for the excellent quote. Related, in Reeh on lo titgadedu, R Hirsh writes that this applies to the community in general – we should not split in .. multiple agudot (same shoresh) instead of uniting all Torah-observant Jews. A great lesson for all debates we have – there is no mitzva in finding how to separate from others, only an aveirah.
I presume this comment was written before Agudah was formed, or maybe even inspired it.
That’s your problem, the Torah is not a book about morality, it’s a book about serving Hashem. Kindness, Shabbos, loving others, and kashrus, are normally all part of serving Hashem, but not always: they each have their intrinsic limits. Just like you must violate Shabbos when necessary, you should violate love when necessary. It’s simple, no?
Israelidoc, reread what the Rebbe said, he doesn’t praise those who eat kosher accidently, he simply expects that they will eventually (but not now) get fear of heaven.
Back to none2.0: you confuse my will and hashems will. I don’t want to force people to do what I, doom777, order them to, because I don’t have any right to give them orders. I want to force people to do Hashem’s will, because he created and uplifts them, and it is severe ingratitude to live in His world and not abide by His rules.
I do agree with you that geula is mostly in your head, it’s about throwing out untruths and false ideologies, but then they have to be replaced with the true ideology: Torah. Everybody has an ideology, “live and let live” is also an ideology, just a really lousy one.
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