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  • #612776
    hakohen53
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    Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the YWN Radio stream has continued its regular stream of music during the sefira? They should have changed to accapella music or maybe even occasional shiurim. It’s inappropriate.

    #1015299
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    No, because there are many valid opinions that you can listen to radio music with headphones/alone during sefira

    #1015300
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    Accapella isn’t appropriate either. Many Rabbonim (including R’ Chaim Kanievsky, R’ Elyashiv zt”l, and R’ Belsky) have said you should not listen to them during sefirah.

    #1015301
    the plumber
    Member

    We do realize people hold of first days or second days. Should Wer really shut down all music and barber shops, just bec some ultra orthodox don’t listen to music during sefira

    #1015302

    Why would radio music be any more mutar than other music? And who cares if you’re listening alone or not. Music really should be assur all year round after the churban, so during Sefira, we try to be machmir and not listen as a sign of aveilus.

    #1015303
    hakohen53
    Participant

    I, too, can’t see why music should be mutar during sefira just because you’re listening to it by yourself. The rule exists to limit our enjoyment during a time of aveilus. As to the different periods when sefira is held, the YWN should have at the very least picked one of them and silenced the music during that time. It also wouldn’t have hurt if there was no music the whole time. After all, we are always being told that this is the YESHIVA World News.

    #1015304
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    rf and hakohen – you may be right in your thinking, but our halachos aren’t really based off of how you feel it should be. And regarding your final comment, it is my son in Telshe who is asking me why he isn’t allowed to listen to music on headphones if his rabbeim THERE have said he could.

    #1015305
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    Some rabbanim are of the opinion that music=live music. Most rabbanim in Yerushalayim allow recorded music to be played by weddings for that reason. Others say to go to Bnei Brak if you want music. Since a cd player can sound like live music to people who don’t know better, for maaras ayin you can only listen on headphones.

    #1015306
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I was also taught that music = live music, and that recorded music should not be listened to in a group of three or more. That’s why headphones or alone would be fine. My son added that the group of three or more prohibition was so that you would not come to dance. That is also why an avel does not eat with a group of three or more.

    #1015307

    Syag- Unless your son’s rav is a musmach of YU (kidding) or relies on the daas yachid opinion of the chelkas yaakov, there really is no reason to be meikil regarding listening to ANY music unless one’s parnassah involves music or it would make one depressed to not listen.

    C”V for you to assume that what I wrote are my “feelings.” Aderabba, I rarely answer halachic questions on the cr because I’m certainly not ra’ui lifsok yet. In this case though, I have learned clear mekoros found in the works of the Aruch Hashulchan, Rav Moshe, Rav Ovadia zt”l and most recently, Rav Belsky, who are all very clear that music is assur in all forms (including acapella except if there is no digital enhancement to the voices), since listening to music is a joyous activity and could probably lead to dancing or use of kli zemer. I’m more surprised than offended that you’d accuse me of dishonesty. neseiv sefer venechzi.

    #1015308
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I’m more surprised than offended that you’d accuse me of dishonesty.

    not at all sure what you are referring to, I don’t see anything of the sort in my post (nor my intent).

    regarding the rest, I have no doubt you are more learned than I am (my words, not yours) since you have learned inside, and my knowledge comes from either a call to the Rav, or a question to my husband. If the Rav says yes, I cannot justify it for you, but I can stand my ground on it.

    The joke is, I just asked my son (he happens to be home sick) which of the Rebbeim said they can use headphones and he said he himself never heard it from a Rav, he heard it third hand from a bachur. ahh, the wonders of broken telephone.

    And lastly, regarding

    Unless your son . . . relies on . . . daas yachid

    Although I find Daas Yochid to be a knowledgeable poster, I would never rely on him 🙂

    #1015309
    takahmamash
    Participant

    That is also why an avel does not eat with a group of three or more.

    There are certainly many who would disagree with that statement.

    #1015310
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    rationalfrummie: While I’m sure you thought your first line was funny (about being a YU musmach), it was actually insulting. Making jokes that imply YU musmachim look for kulos is just not funny at all.

    Imagine the following scenario: You’re at work, and comment to a non-Jewish co-worker, “I bought a new computer yesterday. It was on sale, and I got a great price!” What if the co-worker responded, “That’s how the Jews are, always being cheap… just kidding!” Would you think it was funny, or would you be insulted?

    The fact is that many posters here have posted hateful comments against YU people, accusing them of always looking for kulos, which simply isn’t true. Making jokes which refer to that falsehood is insulting, and is no different than the example I wrote above.

    #1015311
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    takamamash – that’s fine. I hope they are following their rav just as I did. My point wasn’t to pasken, I was pointing out the difference between doing something individually and as a group.

    #1015312
    Ash
    Participant

    In answer to OP: yes, I too am bothered (now that I know they are playing music as usual).

    #1015313
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    They should have a pop-up reminder saying like this:

    CAUTION!!!

    It is sefira!! Remember!!!

    If you close this pop-up there will be music playing, think.

    Do you keep the first, last or both halves?

    Can you listen to music now?

    If so, continue and enjoy, if not, close the tab!

    Thank you, have a nice day!

    Plus, on any music site you can listen and buy music now….

    #1015314
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    It wouldn’t be fair to others to close it.

    Just like it’s not fair to me that some websites close for Shabbos, and I’m not on american time and have to wait to see them.

    #1015315
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I find Daas Yochid to be a knowledgeable poster

    Thank you (I’ll ignore the rest).

    FTR, it does not bother me. Although the opinion permitting it is a minority, there are those who follow it (talmidim of YR Chaim Berlin, and I’m sure others), and I don’t really see YWN Radio playing during sefirah as a michshol to the majority who are machmir.

    #1015316
    hakohen53
    Participant

    Of course we don’t know the true identity of any of the people who posted in this thread, but it would be nice if we got some input from someone in the higher-ups at YWN to know what he/she/they relied on to keep the music running. Maybe it’s just an innocent oversight???

    #1015317
    CRuzer
    Member

    To the OP,

    I guess they know nobody listens to it.

    #1015318
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It’s called free will. Now everybody has a choice.

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