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  • #1579731
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says ולא ירא אלקים Rashi explains that this refers to Amolek, but the Daas Zekinem Mibaal Tosfes says that it refers to the Bnei Yisroel with the measurements mentioned above. The Sifsei Chachomim explains Rashi that Yorei is a passed tense referring to what was mentioned above but if it refers to the Bnei Yisroel it should use an adjective Yerei with a Shvo under the yud.

    #1838141
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    If we take the letters after השמים – ו,ת,נ,כ,נ adds up to 6 plus 400 plus 50 plus 20 plus 50 = 526 same as שכור = 526
    indicating even when we are drunk we should not forget amolek.

    #1943650
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Rashi brings a mashel on ויבא עמלק, and Amolek came, which we should keep in mind all the time. A father is carrying his son on his shoulders. Someone asks the son, where is your father? He says, I don’t know, so he throws him to the dogs. Hashem carries us on his shoulders by providing al of our needs and we forget, so Hashem threw us to the dogs to Amolek.

    #1943652
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The GRA explains why Yehoshua had to write the commemoration in a sefer. The sefer has no dots. Yoav killed the males because he said that his rebbi taught him the word was zochor amolek and not zecher amolek. so Yehoshua needed to be taught how to read the word.

    #1943659
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Rabbenu Bachaya says that אוה’ למושב לו’ Hashem desires to rest there, stands for aleph of כס and ‘vov, heh’ of י-ה , in order Meshiach should come, His throne has to be complete and His name should be complete.

    #1943657
    ujm
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer, if you knew with 100% certainty that a certain man or woman was an Amoleki, would you slay them; and if so, would you do it happily? (Assuming you knew there would be no legal consequences from any non-Jewish government.)”

    #1943671
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    By ihr hanidachas, the GRA says, we are promised the character trait mercy not to become cruel. We are not the murderous type, but ani chashev kameis as Elifaz did to Yaakov, you can give him a bad
    advice in investment to lose his money. Isn’t there a contadiction in Beshalach it says, Hashem will destroy them whereas in Ki Seitzei there is a mitzva on us. Maybe, since we don’t know who they are, Hashem will destroy them.

    #1943793
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The GRA explains above reply #1943652 not why it was written in the sefer but why is it said, vesim beoznei Yehoshua, to make Yehoshoa hear it, to understand how rhe word zecher is pronunced and not zochor as they are no nekudos, dots for vowels, in the Torah.

    #1943814
    ujm
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer, did you miss my question?

    #1943816
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    ujm, I wrote a reply #19436i71 did you see it?

    #1943820
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    That dodged the question, didn’t answer it.

    #1943823
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Daas Yochid, ujm, you answer it.

    #1943829
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Shmuel killed Agag but Shaul could not.

    #1943827
    ujm
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer, sure. I would happily.

    Would you not?

    #1943833
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    No, because according to most, it’s not applicable today for several reasons, besides what you referred to.

    From Din.org.il:

    המצוה להלחם בעמלק ולהכרית את זרעו, נחלקו בה ראשונים: יש סוברים, שהיא מצוה המוטלת על כלל הציבור, ואין כל יחיד ויחיד מישראל חייב בה (ראה: סהמ”צ לרמב”ם סוף מנין מצוות עשה; רי”פ פערלא ח”א עשה נט [דף רסא] בדעת הרס”ג). ויש סוברים, שהיא מצוה המוטלת על המלך (ראה: רמב”ן שמות יז טז; יראים סימן תלה; רד”ק שמואל א טו א; תועפות רא”ם על היראים שם בדעת הסמ”ג). לדעות אלו, הואיל וקיומה של מצוה זו הוא בדרך של מלחמה, הנעשית מעצם טבעה על ידי הציבור כולו ותחת הנהגתו של מלך, לא ניתן לצוות על כך כל יחיד מישראל (הר אפרים על המכילתא סו”פ בשלח. וראה חדושי הגרי”ז עה”ת [סטנסיל] אות קח, שאף הציבור אינם מחוייבים להלחם בכל עת, אלא על פי הוראת נביא). אחרים סוברים, שמלבד המצוה המוטלת על הציבור להלחם בעם העמלקי ולכלותו, יש חיוב לכל יחיד מישראל להמית מזרעו של עמלק, אם יזדמן לו הדבר שלא בדרך מלחמה (ראה: ספר החינוך, והר אפרים שם בדעתו; ישבב סופר סנהדרין [עמ’ קעז וקפא]).

    #1943832
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I have never killed anyone as I was not in the army and I don’t own a gun, so I don’t know.

    #1943841
    ujm
    Participant

    DY: Thanks.

    Reb Eliezer: If you never dealt with animals and aren’t a zoologist would that make you uncertain whether you’d fulfill שילוח הקן‎ if you had the opportunity?

    #1943844
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t think you understood his answer.

    #1943847
    ujm
    Participant

    I understood him to mean that he’s uncertain whether he’d have the courage. Correct me if that’s a misunderstanding. So let’s modify the question to where he knows he doesn’t lack the courage.

    #1943949
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The halacha might not apply to the individual as DY posted and I don’t know how to do it. so I would not do it.

    #1944048
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I understood him to mean that he’s uncertain whether he’d have the courage.

    If you had, you wouldn’t have compared it to שילוח הקן.

    #1944133
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    1. One of the reasons of Haredi (ultra orthodox) objection to serve in Army (Israeli draft) is on the score of BrisDin “Katlonis”..that it might affect one’s soul, even when killing is justified. (Yeshivishe T”Ch explained it years ago).

    2. We don’t know who Amolek is. Since the time of NACH. Sancheriv bilbeil Kol HoUmos.

    3. “Amolek” is also an idea…

    #1944139
    ujm
    Participant

    Shalom, would you be proud to fulfill the mitzvah regarding Amalek and wish you could? (I would.)

    #1944138
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    Since IrHanidachas was mentioned…

    Or-haChayim states :

    ונתן לך רחמים ורחמך. כוונת מאמר זה כאן לפי שצוה על עיר הנדחת שיהרגו כל העיר לפי חרב ואפילו בהמתם מעשה הזה יוליד טבע האכזריות בלב האדם, כמו שספרו לנו הישמעאלים כת הרוצחים במאמר המלך כי יש להם חשק גדול בשעה שהורגים אדם ונכרתה מהם שורש הרחמים והיו לאכזר, והבחינה עצמה תהיה נשרשת ברוצחי עיר הנדחת לזה אמר להם הבטחה שיתן להם ה’ רחמים הגם שהטבע יוליד בהם האכזריות מקור הרחמים ישפיע בהם כח הרחמים מחדש לבטל כח האכזריות שנולד בהם מכח המעשה. ואומרו ורחמך העיר בזה שכל זמן שהאדם הוא בגדר טבע אכזרי כמו כן יתנהג ה’ עמו שאין ה’ מרחם אלא לרחמן:

    And [Hashem] shall give you mercy and compassion. The intent of this order here is … this act will [usually] give birth to the nature of cruelty in the heart of man, as the Ishmaelites told us the murderers cult in the king’s order that they have a great desire when they kill a person…therefore G-d promised them he would give them mercy even though nature would give birth to the cruelty …

    #1944173
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    Very dear ujm.. I really don’t give it thought. Kol tuv.

    #1944188
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    To add on#1944173
    Yet, remembering what Amolek did. Of course we all do and mekayem the mitzvah.

    #1944295
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    According to the Sefer Hachihuch the women are exempt as they don’t fight, but the Minchas Chinuch asks that this is an obligatory war so even a kallah from the chuppa would be taken maybe for support?

    #1944320
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    Yes, the Minchath-Chinuch comments that theory, still, from ikar halocho today, women are not mechuyev even in parshas zochor, though it BECAME a chiyuv based on Kiblu-al-atzmon…

    #1949429
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    We find that Bnei Yisroel is called rishon and Amolek is called rishon. The Dubner Magid compares this to a doctor and a gibor. Hashem is both a doctor and a gibor. If a gibor wants to denonstrate his strength, he defeats someone being considered strong and a doctor cures someone weak and sickly. Hashem, the gibor, will defeat Amolek and heal and elevate the Bnei Yisroel who are weak and low in galus.

    #1949902
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    You mean REISHIS not Rishon…

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