Zechiras Amolek
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August 26, 2018 8:02 am at 8:02 am #1579731Reb EliezerParticipant
It says ולא ירא אלקים Rashi explains that this refers to Amolek, but the Daas Zekinem Mibaal Tosfes says that it refers to the Bnei Yisroel with the measurements mentioned above. The Sifsei Chachomim explains Rashi that Yorei is a passed tense referring to what was mentioned above but if it refers to the Bnei Yisroel it should use an adjective Yerei with a Shvo under the yud.
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March 5, 2020 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #1838141Reb EliezerParticipantIf we take the letters after השמים – ו,ת,נ,כ,נ adds up to 6 plus 400 plus 50 plus 20 plus 50 = 526 same as שכור = 526
indicating even when we are drunk we should not forget amolek.January 29, 2021 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #1943650Reb EliezerParticipantRashi brings a mashel on ויבא עמלק, and Amolek came, which we should keep in mind all the time. A father is carrying his son on his shoulders. Someone asks the son, where is your father? He says, I don’t know, so he throws him to the dogs. Hashem carries us on his shoulders by providing al of our needs and we forget, so Hashem threw us to the dogs to Amolek.
January 29, 2021 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #1943652Reb EliezerParticipantThe GRA explains why Yehoshua had to write the commemoration in a sefer. The sefer has no dots. Yoav killed the males because he said that his rebbi taught him the word was zochor amolek and not zecher amolek. so Yehoshua needed to be taught how to read the word.
January 29, 2021 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1943659Reb EliezerParticipantThe Rabbenu Bachaya says that אוה’ למושב לו’ Hashem desires to rest there, stands for aleph of כס and ‘vov, heh’ of י-ה , in order Meshiach should come, His throne has to be complete and His name should be complete.
January 29, 2021 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1943657ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, if you knew with 100% certainty that a certain man or woman was an Amoleki, would you slay them; and if so, would you do it happily? (Assuming you knew there would be no legal consequences from any non-Jewish government.)”
January 29, 2021 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1943671Reb EliezerParticipantBy ihr hanidachas, the GRA says, we are promised the character trait mercy not to become cruel. We are not the murderous type, but ani chashev kameis as Elifaz did to Yaakov, you can give him a bad
advice in investment to lose his money. Isn’t there a contadiction in Beshalach it says, Hashem will destroy them whereas in Ki Seitzei there is a mitzva on us. Maybe, since we don’t know who they are, Hashem will destroy them.January 30, 2021 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1943793Reb EliezerParticipantThe GRA explains above reply #1943652 not why it was written in the sefer but why is it said, vesim beoznei Yehoshua, to make Yehoshoa hear it, to understand how rhe word zecher is pronunced and not zochor as they are no nekudos, dots for vowels, in the Torah.
January 30, 2021 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1943814ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, did you miss my question?
January 30, 2021 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1943816Reb EliezerParticipantujm, I wrote a reply #19436i71 did you see it?
January 30, 2021 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #1943820☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThat dodged the question, didn’t answer it.
January 30, 2021 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1943823Reb EliezerParticipantDaas Yochid, ujm, you answer it.
January 30, 2021 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1943829Reb EliezerParticipantShmuel killed Agag but Shaul could not.
January 30, 2021 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1943827ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, sure. I would happily.
Would you not?
January 30, 2021 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1943833☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo, because according to most, it’s not applicable today for several reasons, besides what you referred to.
From Din.org.il:
המצוה להלחם בעמלק ולהכרית את זרעו, נחלקו בה ראשונים: יש סוברים, שהיא מצוה המוטלת על כלל הציבור, ואין כל יחיד ויחיד מישראל חייב בה (ראה: סהמ”צ לרמב”ם סוף מנין מצוות עשה; רי”פ פערלא ח”א עשה נט [דף רסא] בדעת הרס”ג). ויש סוברים, שהיא מצוה המוטלת על המלך (ראה: רמב”ן שמות יז טז; יראים סימן תלה; רד”ק שמואל א טו א; תועפות רא”ם על היראים שם בדעת הסמ”ג). לדעות אלו, הואיל וקיומה של מצוה זו הוא בדרך של מלחמה, הנעשית מעצם טבעה על ידי הציבור כולו ותחת הנהגתו של מלך, לא ניתן לצוות על כך כל יחיד מישראל (הר אפרים על המכילתא סו”פ בשלח. וראה חדושי הגרי”ז עה”ת [סטנסיל] אות קח, שאף הציבור אינם מחוייבים להלחם בכל עת, אלא על פי הוראת נביא). אחרים סוברים, שמלבד המצוה המוטלת על הציבור להלחם בעם העמלקי ולכלותו, יש חיוב לכל יחיד מישראל להמית מזרעו של עמלק, אם יזדמן לו הדבר שלא בדרך מלחמה (ראה: ספר החינוך, והר אפרים שם בדעתו; ישבב סופר סנהדרין [עמ’ קעז וקפא]).
January 30, 2021 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #1943832Reb EliezerParticipantI have never killed anyone as I was not in the army and I don’t own a gun, so I don’t know.
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January 30, 2021 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1943841ujmParticipantDY: Thanks.
Reb Eliezer: If you never dealt with animals and aren’t a zoologist would that make you uncertain whether you’d fulfill שילוח הקן if you had the opportunity?
January 30, 2021 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1943844☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI don’t think you understood his answer.
January 31, 2021 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1943847ujmParticipantI understood him to mean that he’s uncertain whether he’d have the courage. Correct me if that’s a misunderstanding. So let’s modify the question to where he knows he doesn’t lack the courage.
January 31, 2021 8:22 am at 8:22 am #1943949Reb EliezerParticipantThe halacha might not apply to the individual as DY posted and I don’t know how to do it. so I would not do it.
January 31, 2021 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1944048☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI understood him to mean that he’s uncertain whether he’d have the courage.
If you had, you wouldn’t have compared it to שילוח הקן.
January 31, 2021 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #1944133Shalom-al-IsraelParticipant1. One of the reasons of Haredi (ultra orthodox) objection to serve in Army (Israeli draft) is on the score of BrisDin “Katlonis”..that it might affect one’s soul, even when killing is justified. (Yeshivishe T”Ch explained it years ago).
2. We don’t know who Amolek is. Since the time of NACH. Sancheriv bilbeil Kol HoUmos.
3. “Amolek” is also an idea…
February 1, 2021 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1944139ujmParticipantShalom, would you be proud to fulfill the mitzvah regarding Amalek and wish you could? (I would.)
February 1, 2021 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1944138Shalom-al-IsraelParticipantSince IrHanidachas was mentioned…
Or-haChayim states :
ונתן לך רחמים ורחמך. כוונת מאמר זה כאן לפי שצוה על עיר הנדחת שיהרגו כל העיר לפי חרב ואפילו בהמתם מעשה הזה יוליד טבע האכזריות בלב האדם, כמו שספרו לנו הישמעאלים כת הרוצחים במאמר המלך כי יש להם חשק גדול בשעה שהורגים אדם ונכרתה מהם שורש הרחמים והיו לאכזר, והבחינה עצמה תהיה נשרשת ברוצחי עיר הנדחת לזה אמר להם הבטחה שיתן להם ה’ רחמים הגם שהטבע יוליד בהם האכזריות מקור הרחמים ישפיע בהם כח הרחמים מחדש לבטל כח האכזריות שנולד בהם מכח המעשה. ואומרו ורחמך העיר בזה שכל זמן שהאדם הוא בגדר טבע אכזרי כמו כן יתנהג ה’ עמו שאין ה’ מרחם אלא לרחמן:
And [Hashem] shall give you mercy and compassion. The intent of this order here is … this act will [usually] give birth to the nature of cruelty in the heart of man, as the Ishmaelites told us the murderers cult in the king’s order that they have a great desire when they kill a person…therefore G-d promised them he would give them mercy even though nature would give birth to the cruelty …
February 1, 2021 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1944173Shalom-al-IsraelParticipantVery dear ujm.. I really don’t give it thought. Kol tuv.
February 1, 2021 3:20 am at 3:20 am #1944188Shalom-al-IsraelParticipantTo add on#1944173
Yet, remembering what Amolek did. Of course we all do and mekayem the mitzvah.February 1, 2021 11:13 am at 11:13 am #1944295Reb EliezerParticipantAccording to the Sefer Hachihuch the women are exempt as they don’t fight, but the Minchas Chinuch asks that this is an obligatory war so even a kallah from the chuppa would be taken maybe for support?
February 1, 2021 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1944320Shalom-al-IsraelParticipantYes, the Minchath-Chinuch comments that theory, still, from ikar halocho today, women are not mechuyev even in parshas zochor, though it BECAME a chiyuv based on Kiblu-al-atzmon…
February 17, 2021 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1949429Reb EliezerParticipantWe find that Bnei Yisroel is called rishon and Amolek is called rishon. The Dubner Magid compares this to a doctor and a gibor. Hashem is both a doctor and a gibor. If a gibor wants to denonstrate his strength, he defeats someone being considered strong and a doctor cures someone weak and sickly. Hashem, the gibor, will defeat Amolek and heal and elevate the Bnei Yisroel who are weak and low in galus.
February 18, 2021 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1949902Shalom-al-IsraelParticipantYou mean REISHIS not Rishon…
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