October 31, 2012 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #605611miritchkaMember
I was wondering if someone can help me understand something thats been bothering me to no end.
After seeing the devastation from the hurricane in Bayswater, Seagate, and other places, I got a call from a friend that her friend had to get evacuated on Tuesday morning. I asked her why they didnt leave right away or at least when they saw how bad the situation was getting. She said that they had no place to go and had small children which made it harder.
Both those reasons are totally invalid for putting yourself, your spouse and children at risk!
Monday night made those areas completely impassible to hatzola and other volunteers, what if her friends house was completely demolished by the storm?! Then what?!
My question is: How could someone who lives in Zone A be so selfish to his/her small children by staying in such a dangerous place? I know that with 100% certainty another yid would have given them a place to stay! Another reason this made me so upset is because on Tuesday hatzola had to spend precious time that could have been spent saving someone who couldnt help their situation, by trudging through a devastated area to help evacuate someone who could have prevented their situation.October 31, 2012 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #902305YITZCHOK2Participant
Instead of wasting your time getting upset go bring food to your friend who is hosting that other family. I would assume with the extra mouths to feed they would appreciate your help!October 31, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #902306MammeleParticipant
Miritchka, I felt the same way as you even before the storm hit and couldn’t believe how many people were ignoring the evacuation request. However, once it started getting bad it was too late to evacuate, they were told to stay put. If the house had more than one storey it was generally safer to stay than bracing the flooded and damaged roads, falling trees etc.
It does say “eizehu chochom? Haroah es hanolad” for a reason. Unfortunately after many “false alarms” people were in denial.October 31, 2012 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #902307
I remember all the warnings with Irene, which turned out to be nothing. I remember when an unpredicted storm caused tremendous damage to my block.
I don’t blame them. It’s really hard to pack up and move with kids, if you’re not feeling well, or for the elderly, to spend time in a shelter with strangers and leaving your home unoccupied. This time, they were wrong to stay.October 31, 2012 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #902308🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
miritchka – I feel the same way, even though I know I would have struggled with the thought of packing up. I remember being at a hotel with 7 little kids and we had a VERY hard time getting them to sleep. At about midnight an alarm indicated a tornado warning and we were all supposed to go down to the basement. I did NOT want to wake every one up and I couldn’t possibly carry them all. I looked for every excuse to ignore it but knew that in the end I would never forgive myself for being unsafe with my kids. It wasn’t fun, but we did it.October 31, 2012 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #902309nishtdayngesheftParticipant
Keep in miund that there had been significant looting during previous evacuations where the losses from looting were greater than what had happened from the storm.
Perhaps people had been afraid of loorting losses. It is not so easy to judge. Nor is it neccesarily wise.October 31, 2012 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #902310🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I don’t mean to be judging them. I am commenting on the actions they took, empathizing with the torn emotions and hopefully encouraging the next person to do differently.November 1, 2012 3:39 am at 3:39 am #902311YW Moderator-42Moderator
Irene turned out to be the boy who cried wolf. Hindsight is 20/20 and we can pretty much all agree now that they should have evacuated. But nobody expected it to be as bad as it was. Many people just assumed they could “ride out the storm” at home (and guard their house from looting).November 1, 2012 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #902312miritchkaMember
YITZCHOK2: Wow. That was quite strong. Do you think i dont care about them? Its precisely because i care that i got upset. Of course i’m doing all i can to help. As a mother, i can tell you that I will get upset at my children if they run into the street after i told them not to step foot in it. Regardless of whether they did or didnt get hurt, I want them to be safe and if they dont listen to warnings, i will be upset!
Mammele: I guess if i wasnt there when the bad part of the storm hit, I cant judge. But it still bothers me that they disregarded the evacuation warning, especially when they saw almost every single family evacuating…”eizehu chochom? Haroah es hanolad”…so true.
torah613613torah: After the repeat warnings to evacuate, and seeing almost every neighbor evacuating, I would put my life before my possessions.
Syag Lchochma: I am with you on that. I’ve been to hotels too and know how it is to live in one/two room(s) with several children. But like you mentioned, i would never forgive myself if i didnt take precautions to protect my family.
nishtdayngesheft: I understand that very well. But as i mentioned before, I would put my life before my possessions and daven for the safety of everyone as well as their property. i know its not easy to start over. But i know i would never forgive myself should anything have happened to my family that could have been prevented..November 1, 2012 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #902313akupermaParticipant
The problem is all along the coasts. People like to live near the water. The sea is pretty. The climate is more moderate (cooler in summer, warmer in winter). The only problem is that every so often you get a big storm. In theory the area should have been zoned for parkland – but that never worked out. The result is that even as storms are less frequent and milder than in the past (and they have records going back to the 1600s), the damage is worse.November 1, 2012 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #902314
akuperma: How far from the coast do you still deem too close to the coast for living conditions due to hurricane risk?November 1, 2012 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #902315
Miritchka: I second the moderator.November 2, 2012 6:40 am at 6:40 am #902316more_2Member
Torah613613torah does the username dhl144 have any connection to u?November 2, 2012 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #902317
More_2: No, it doesn’t.November 3, 2012 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #902319more_2Member
Well you’re definitely both very similar.November 4, 2012 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #902320HealthParticipant
miritchka -“I was wondering if someone can help me understand something thats been bothering me to no end.”
While you make good points and as a medical professional I’d agree, but as a Frum Yid I don’t. Chazal tell us not to judge others unless you’re in their place. They must have had a million thoughts racing through their mind. They are from the lucky ones, some stayed and didn’t survive. Anybody who isn’t/wasn’t affected by this storm should do whatever they can to help those who were.November 4, 2012 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #902321ZeesKiteParticipant
Mr. Hooligan said to evacuate immediately. If you have done so, there is no need to do it again..
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