Zoos and Chometz

Home Forums Yom Tov Pesach Zoos and Chometz

Viewing 50 posts - 51 through 100 (of 109 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1196550

    charliehall
    Participant

    “But you are allowed to go into a Mikva on Shabbos?”

    Yes. Al pi halachah you can actually go swimming on Shabbos but there is a very longstanding Ashkenazic minhag not to. (Don’t know about Sefardim.)

    #1196551

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Matzah may actually not be so hard on the animals, but it is against the rules. Just talk to and pet the animals and wash your hands carefully.

    #1196552

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Charlie,

    Wrong, again.

    #1196553

    Bookworm120
    Participant

    @rebyidd – LOL, poor animals.

    Isn’t going to a museum a much better alternative? I don’t feel bad about not bringing or buying food there, since the animals tend to already be stuffed.

    #1196554

    golfer
    Participant

    I like the way you put that, Bookworm.

    And you brought back such good memories of chol hamoed at the museum of Nat History. I hear today if you’re not taking your kids at least a thousand miles from home and/or staying in a place with more than 5 stars, you’re not yotzei. But we loved the museum.

    #1196556

    Going into a swimming pool on Shabbos is not such an issue. It’s coming out of it where you run into trouble.

    #1196557

    oomis
    Participant

    Once again, it is forbidden to own chomets. Feeding the chomets to an animal you do not own for the pleasure of doing so,

    may possibly be called having benefit from the chomets.

    but you can’t buy it in the first place, so feeding it to the animals may be a SECOND averah. I know you mean well, unlike some of the posters here, but you are just clouding a very simple issue.”

    Ok, so let’s look at it from a strictly practical POV. Do you really want to risk getting grains of chametz on your clothing and hands on Pesach, even if it does NOT belong to you (and if it doesn’t, then by what right do you feed it to an animal that likewise does not belong to you?), and further risk bringing it into your Pesachdig home?

    We are not allowed to buy chametz that was unsold by its Jewish owner (chometz she-avar alav haPesach) even after Pesach. So why do you think it would be permissible to use mamesh chametz ON Pesach, even if it belonged to a non-Jew? (If my logic is faulty, sorry, it just is coming into my head this way – too many cleaning fumes, I guess).

    Bottom line – I wouldn’t want to take the chance of bringing even a dot of chametz into my home. Unless you are covered from head to toe in a disposable burka, it is very possible you will have chametz on your person SOMEWHERE.

    #1196558

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    But you must explain to the animals exactly why you are not feeding them.

    #1196559

    2NI3
    Participant

    Just go to the zoo and njoy the animals there is no reason to waste your money n the first place on buying them food let alone to cause a chametz issue.

    #1196560

    oomis
    Participant

    “But you must explain to the animals exactly why you are not feeding them.”

    If I wanted to talk to the animals, my name would be Dr. Doolittle.

    #1196561

    Bookworm120
    Participant

    @golfer – Thank you! ^_^

    #1196562

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If you wanted to devote your life to learning the languages of animals, perhaps your name would be Dr. Doolittle. But simply talking to them is another matter.

    #1196563

    147
    Participant

    Procuring Chometz on Pesach is an Issur miDeOrraisso, whereas going into a swimming pool or Mikvah on Shabbos is at most an Issur meiDeRabbonon and probably even less than that:- Albeit squeezing water out of your hair could be more severely Osssur.

    But given that the Bronx Zoo is gratis on Wednesday, and there won’t be a Wednesday during Chol haMoed Pesach this year, how about waiting until Chol haMoed Sukkos when there will be a Wednesday on Hoshana Rabba, when Bronx Zoo is gratis.

    #1196564

    charliehall
    Participant

    “The animals in the Zoos in the US are not owned by Jews.”

    My point is that the zoo can feed its animals basar v’chalav, and chametz on Pesach. Not a problem.

    “Going into a swimming pool on Shabbos is not such an issue. It’s coming out of it where you run into trouble.”

    ROTF!!!

    I’m of course been assuming that this is your own private pool. Many rabbis have prohibited mixed sex swimming, for obvious reasons.

    #1196565

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    thought this was about mythology

    #1196566

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    By the way, from a purely scientific point of view, matzah may be easier on animals than on us, like grass.

    #1196567

    nitpicker
    Participant

    bump.

    zoos sell food for visitors to feed to animals.

    this food is likely chomets and must not be purchased by jews during pesach.

    (to rebyidd23, matzoh is not like grass and would not be easier on ruminants than humans)

    #1196568

    nitpicker
    Participant

    bump

    Just my annual reminder of an obvious point that is sometimes overlooked.

    Hope the message gets through despite the l’tzonus and irrelavancies.

    #1196569

    nitpicker
    Participant

    bump 2 of three.

    #1196570

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    Am I allowed to buy chometz to feed the animals?

    #1196571

    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    Idk can you. (*sarcasm*)

    #1196572

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Am I allowed to buy chometz to feed the animals?

    Only if you dip the chometz twice before using it.

    #1196573

    147
    Participant

    Am I allowed to buy Chometz to feed the animals? Only if the vendor poisons the Chometz before it reaches thy possession so that it is unfit even for dog consumption, by the time it reaches thy possession.

    #1196574

    LanderTalmid
    Participant

    If the zoo is only selling the food for the purpose of giving it to the animals, is that a schirus or michirah or michirah al minas lihachzir or just buying the right to feed the animals? Especially the machines that give food out for free. Except that shielah of chametz is also included in bal yeraeh but schirus is a machlokes R’M and R’Y if it is like a shomer chinam or shomer sachar which is related to a machlokes rishonim what type of shomer is chayav in bal yiraeh.(Rashi,Tos,Rambam)

    But lichoreh they would also sell it to someone who wanted to take it home so maybe irrelevant shaylah.

    #1196575

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    If the zoo is only selling the food for the purpose of giving it to the animals,

    Obviously that’s not the case. Yes, they realize that, most likely, it’s going to be given to the animals, but there is no legal or contractual requirement to do so. You could just as easily take it out of the zoo with you and they won’t care.

    Especially the machines that give food out for free.

    I’ve never seen one. I’m not doubting they exist, mind you – just my personal experience. In any event, I again think that you’d be free to walk out with some without a problem.

    The Wolf

    #1196576

    nitpicker
    Participant

    –bump—

    #1196577

    nitpicker
    Participant

    reminder: most of the comments are irellevant or non-sequitor.

    if you are wondering, ask a rav.

    #1196578

    Meno
    Participant

    I don’t understand all this. The animals aren’t even Jewish…

    #1196579

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant
    #1196580

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Meno, the people buying it and feeding it to the animals are.

    #1196581

    Meno
    Participant

    And even if the animals are Jewish, they probably don’t mish on Pesach, so they wouldn’t eat your food anyway…

    #1196582

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The polar bear ate an apple.

    #1196583

    147
    Participant

    Be Makneh your Matzo [meal] to the zoo animals or failing that to the zookeeper {not the one killed in a FL zoo on Friday Nisson 7th], and then you shall be able to cook this Matzo meal into Matzo balls this Friday Shevi’i Shel Pesach for Shabbos Acharon Shel Pesach.

    #1196584

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Thank you nitpicker for the bump, my family was planning on going to the zoo and it wasn’t until I saw the title that I thought the food might be chametz

    Thank you again

    #1196585

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Well I got to the “zoo” (it’s really a farm) and they have “wheat free food available for Passover”

    #1196586

    mik5
    Participant

    It is forbidden to buy chametz on Pesach. Forbidden to feed chametz to animals under any circumstances, even if the animal is not yours and the chametz is something you found in the street. Even if the animals will starve to death otherwise. One who buys chametz on Pesach transgresses three sins from the Torah every millisecond that the chametz exists. One who feeds chametz to animals transgresses an additional prohibition of benefiting from chametz.

    #1196587

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    three sins from the Torah every millisecond that the chametz exists.

    I’d *love* to know what your source is for this? I don’t believe that a millisecond is a valid Torah measurement of time vis-a-vis halacha.

    Perhaps you meant microsecond? Or picosecond? Or perhaps Planck Time? (which would mean violating 3 * 10^43 lavin every second)?

    How did you settle on 3000 lavin per second?

    The Wolf

    #1196588

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t think he means to multiply 3 times the number of milliseconds to get the total number of lavin.

    I think he means one is constantly oiver on three lavin.

    #1196589

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I think he means one is constantly oiver on three lavin.

    Had you asked me what the consequences were, I would have said exactly what you did. But his stating that it’s every millisecond seems to imply that it’s 1000 lavin every second (times three).

    The Wolf

    #1196590

    mw13
    Participant

    Just because this thread was bumped by nitpicker doesn’t mean we all need to nitpick…

    Wolf, I think its pretty clear mik5 meant what DY said.

    #1196591

    mik5
    Participant

    It’s two negative commandments (chametz should not be seen/ should not be found), plus one positive commandment (to eliminate chametz).

    The point is that every moment that the chametz exists, he transgresses three sins from the Torah. Again, and again, and again. Therefore, to buy chametz at the zoo on Pesach is much worse than eating a slice of pork. And to speak lashon hara for one minute is much worse than eating a slice of pork. And much worse than drinking cholov stam, or not wearing a white shirt.

    #1196592

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What do you mean, “again, and again, and again”? Is it possible to count how many times?

    #1196593

    mik5
    Participant

    No, his sins are too many to count.

    #1196594

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    They’re countable, just that a human being isn’t capable of counting them?

    #1196595

    yehudayona
    Participant

    mik5, but not worse than eating a pork sandwich. Unless it’s on matzo instead of bread. Extra points for hand shmurah.

    #1196596

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Don’t forget that animal food is often chometz.

    (Or was it something else you’re not supposed to forget?)

    #1196597

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    DY, it’s barely Kislev. I know some people start cleaning for Pesach after Chanuka, but isn’t it a little early for this?

    #1196598

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Then maybe it was something else.

    #1253480

    nitpicker
    Participant

    bump 1

    #1253487

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I already bumped it in December.

Viewing 50 posts - 51 through 100 (of 109 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.