Debater

YYA – Thanks for your answer.
I am referring only to Rav Kook indeed because of his Frumkeit, as I feel the other RZ rabbis aren’t so confusing to us.
I do want to bring out that there is a difference of “settling the land” as the settlers in Petach Tikva, without any thought of a “state”, as you said, and RZ’s
desire for a state. So there’s one thing about settling for “living the land” and a totally different thing of doing so for/under a state.

AAQ – The question is if you can compare JEWS trying to manipulate and convince, to JEWS FORCING by starving, cutting payos, taking away kippahs, and much more. We’re of course not talking of non-Jews here.

I would appreciate if you can let me know if I’m wrong anywhere in my post.

1. The old yishuv definitely tried to make parnassah and therefore tried agriculture as well. But they didn’t seize it from anyone. In fact, they lived peacefully with their Arab/Muslim neighbors. So they might have been trying agriculture, but not for Zionist reasons.

3. It’s true that Petach Tikva and others were originally established by Haredim.

Still, would you compare those settlements to today’s settlemenents? Weren’t they established as simply a place for Jews to live in stretching out of the cities, contrary to today’s settlements which are established solely to “live the land”? Also, I wouldn’t compare them because they weren’t taken away from Muslims or even viewed by Muslims as annexed from them.

I look at these aforementioned settlements as Bnei Brak or Beit Shemesh. Again, please let me know if I’m wrong.