Frank from NY

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  • in reply to: Get law in Israel #1545058
    Frank from NY
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    Joseph, are you forgetting the earlier thread where it was established and proven the Butei Dinim have essentially gone divorce on demand… https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/refusing-to-take-a-get … “In Israel and NY State, it doesn’t matter the reason for the wife wanting out of the marriage. The husband has to give a Get or else the consequences are quite severe. We’re no longer living in Biblical times. Nowadays, women have the right to demand a divorce. The Rebbeim and butei dinim will almost always back us up. It doesn’t matter if the husband is cruel or even at fault or if the wife just has no interest in the marriage continuing. What matters is the woman is not considered some man’s property anymore.”

    in reply to: Get law in Israel #1545038
    Frank from NY
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    Joseph, please don’t get started on the get me’usa issue. It’s pretty much established and accepted that the Jewish establishment has gone divorce-on-demand. Their halachic basis is alleviating the woman’s suffering in a marriage she doesn’t want to be in trumps all else. I’m asking how the Gett process works in Israel. What exactly is the threshhold the Butei Dinim use for ordering a Gett. In the U.S., it’s definitely divorce on demand. Thanks and good early Shabbos.

    in reply to: Refusing to take a get. #1493932
    Frank from NY
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    Joseph, good point… “divorce on demand” and pre-nups may be more Modern Orthodox than Charedi. I do know whenever there’s news reports of a recalitrant husband, the story generally doesn’t say the husbands’s reasons for not giving the Get. Is it b/c he wants to stay in the marriage? Or did he break one of the major marriage rules? Just because a Beis Din orders the Get doesn’t mean anything. Because the Beis Din can order the Get for any reason including the wife just doesn’t want to be married anymore.

    in reply to: Annoying Shidduchim Questions #1493961
    Frank from NY
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    To the original poster… I think questions about looks are fine. According to the Jewish Press, when we become niftar, Hashem treats us leniently when we meet our maker if we treated other leniently in this world. We shouldn’t get offended at such general questions that are probably asked of everyone the questioner talks to.

    in reply to: Refusing to take a get. #1493756
    Frank from NY
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    Joseph, unfortunately, you’re 100% wrong about how divorce works in modern times. Just look at the religious pre-nups they’re requiring couples to sign before marriage these days. The pre-nup just says once the couple is no longer living as man and wife, the parties have to give each other a Get or financial penalties kick in. There is absolutely no “precisely described circumstances” as you’re stating. Under these religiously required pre-nups, the reason for the wife wanting the divorce is absolutely irrelevant. Unfortunately, from a practical standpoint, there’s no difference between Jewish and secular divorce these days. Both are divorce on demand.

    in reply to: Refusing to take a get. #1493711
    Frank from NY
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    Joseph, trust me, your statement is totally 100% inacurrate… “Similarly a man has the right to refuse to give a Get if he wishes the marriage to continue.” The Beis Din will just say your wife has checked out of the marriage and it would be cruel not to give her the Get. Unfortunatley, the religious Jewish world has “gone divorce on demand.” Same as secular. The Jewish Press quoted a sage as to why Jews exchange gifts on Channukkah; which wasn’t our custom. The sage said because when you live with Christians for 1,000+ years, you adopt some of their customs. Same with our divorces I’m afraid. It’s definitely divorce on demand.

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