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good mareh makom srugee
“I don’t think anyone was offering an opinion on this. We were simply noting the machlokes, and relying on our rebbeim as far as psak.”
Just to point out- just because rabbeim might say that the ikkur pshat in the mishna is middos and not working doesn’t mean that the average guy should be in kollel for an extended period of time. Just because we dont have a mishna saying that yafeh talmud torah im “working” dosent take away from the fact that that the gemara says harbei assu v’loi alsa beyadam, and the fact that a husband has chiyuvei kesuba which require him to support his family. And I have never really heard a great answer to that from any of my rabbeim.
Well said Hakatan
No i’m sure its %100 true but what does that have to do with this conversation? Just because R Ahron thought that Talmidei Chachamim shouldn’t own cars doesnt show that he thought that everbody who is in kollel is a talmid chochom
Btw I am currently in Kollel in BMG and I actually agree with a lot of what has been said here. I think that kollel just isn’t for everyone. The bottom line is that everybody does it (and not just the best guys) because that is what is accepted nowadays. But isn’t it better to follow this trend than another one?? I agree that a lot of guys should not be in Kollel for as long as they are, and I think the expectation for In-Laws/Wife to fully support a family is crazy, what happened to tnai kesuba??? Isnt the husband supposed to give his wife and family the mezonos and not vice versa?? But i still think that IDEALLY Kollel is great- as long as guys would be more responsible and realize that yes believe it or not…. ITS THEIR ACHRAYUS TO MAKE A LIVING and not their in laws or wife’s. And anything that they do get from their parents/in laws should be extra.
No offense to anybody here, but how in the world does anybody know what R Ahron thought?? Its pure speculation! Agreed that he lived in a totally different world, but who said that if he lived today he wouldnt agree with the current kollel system?? In my opinion its irrelevant what R Ahron WOULD’VE said.
I went there. Great yeshiva. Toi’s description was pretty accurate. The learning there is excellent, most of the boys are very smart, and there is A LOT of pressure. Wouldnt consider it yeshivish, but its definitely not bummy. They just don’t buy into yeshivish shtick (like most of the world). They officially don’t allow college but once in a while they will let a guy go. Really depends on the situation, but you probably cant go there assuming that they’ll let you go to college right away.
in lakewood they ask you “are you willing to work”. Now if you ask me the average guy in BMG is NOT willing to work at all, so then most people are flat out lying when answering that question.
try shaar hatorah in queens
rite thats what i figured thanks
spoke to KOA (R’ Issacson) he said that they are working on making it kosher, should be ready within a week. he said that everything but the donuts will be chalav yisrael. Are other chalav yisrael dds also like that(everything aside for donuts???)