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  • in reply to: room for personal expression in yeshiva #1065756
    noname1234
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    scared driver, in my personal case I did learn what I wanted to but I felt lonely. In a general sense, it’s hard for others to keep explaining themselves to everyone or ignore everyone around themselves. Point is, they shouldn’t be made to feel that way for learning halacha at night seder etc.

    in reply to: room for personal expression in yeshiva #1065740
    noname1234
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    PBA, I pulled it from the fact that I learnt in mainstream yeshivos for 5 years and from the fact that it has a derogatory nickname. Also you have not addressed my other 2 points which are:

    1) there are no reputable black hat, english speaking yeshivos that have a focus on anything besides gemara b’iyun, which are not looked down upon

    2)kollel guys learn other limudim as opposed to gemara/iyun. Bochurim do want to learn other limudim but cannot because of the stigma, social pressures and shidduchim prospects. Its clear that they always would have wanted to but had to wait to they got married, because why the change all of a sudden?

    in reply to: room for personal expression in yeshiva #1065737
    noname1234
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    PBA, you said “If you don’t like the way your yeshiva learns, find a different one.” and “I doubt you are correct (that there no yeshivos for younger bochurim that focus on Halacha), but if you are, it is because nobody wants it.”

    PBA, firstly as far as I am aware there are no reputable black hat, english speaking yeshivos that have a focus on anything besides gemara. I’ve noticed from other posts that you are quite good at research and I challenge you to find one. Unfortunately, even yeshivos such as R’ Yaakov Friedman, which learn one amud of gemara the entire day (3 sedorim) have a stigma in the yeshivos (for learning to fast). If you go there you are looked down upon. Secondly, if you are in the learning world you will see that many kollel guys learn other limudim as opposed to gemara/iyun. Bochurim do want to learn other limudim but cannot because of the stigma, social pressures and shidduchim prospects.

    My point is that why can’t a guy learn halacha during night seder at a mainstream place without being looked down upon? There’s no leeway.

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