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  • in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1421921
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    Please note !
    As it seems the fact of goishe music is concerning others let me give my humble understanding
    There is studying secular or listening to secular music just for its own sake then there is using what ever is needed to help us in עבודת השם so then it’s holy .
    An example to bring it across , it states re Reb Yehuda Hanosi who raised his hands before his passing and declared i did not benefit at all from this world .but how could that be .so the answer given sure he took and benefited but it was לשם שמים
    In that light The Rambam Rishonim and those who used Gentile music has to be understood .
    I heard last week Rabbi Miller said to his audience I read more secular books then anyone here .it’s the same understanding
    At the same time he preached not to learn secular not to listen to the Radio .
    I hope it clarifies the general debate

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1421031
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    Seen it decades ago .
    But Mr know all , upon investigation it came to light that Reb Moishe was answering the שואל not knowing who he was referring to but once he was told the שואל was referring to Reb Shlomo he was most upset as he held very highly of him , they were in constant contact .he referred to him as a בן בית .
    Please I beg to to stop being so intransigent .

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1420879
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    Correction!!!

    Quote his sins are well known to all .
    Please don’t speak in the name of all .
    I know of not a single sin , but disscusting it here will just cause you to loosen your mouth further with הוצאת שם רע .

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1420859
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    Quote his sins are well known to all .
    Please don’t speak in the name of all .
    I know of not a single sin , but disscusting it here will just cause me to loosen your mouth further with הוצאת שם רע .

    Edited. You may not want to know why but consider it done

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1420814
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    Dear Daas yochid
    I conclude I hope it remains a Daas yochid.
    I don’t mind debating in a logical manner but when I sense a personal stinging negativity hostility ,with no humiluty and derech eretz for such a giant – a ohev yisroel – a Gaon .it will only make it worse .my statement has plenty to think into which obviously the writer chooses to ignore

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1420765
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    To argue my point will be endless and off the point .
    Just this one point .
    So much has been said and debated probably the most talked a about personality .
    But honesty was not an issue on the contrary what ever he did was open.
    Now it’s recorded on official videos recordings where he stresses that he never listened to secular music .
    Now if you have seemingly reason to question it .there are answers which has all been studied in depth .
    I always say there is a הלכה הוה דן לכף זכות
    Who if not him deserves it who in history has done so much for klal Yisroel? Money – gave up being a great Rosh Yeshivah -kovod .every drop of his blood he gave up for Klal Yisroel.
    It’s high time we do a little rethinking .it stares us in the face .
    Every yeshiva every Synagogue every wedding .the world would be starved stifled without him

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1419582
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    may i add .
    Reb Shlomo Carlebach music has penetrated so deeply into Klal Yisroel like no one else has ,its because as he said himself he never listened to goishe music ,as much as he was totally in touch with the world he remained totally separated in himself from the outside world
    all his songs are inspired from his total connection to Torah and dveikus ,
    i know now i will be bombarded with comments , but i can back it up ,

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1419285
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    my vort re music is obviously in general terms many Gedolim put all their efforts and emotions in Torah ,its a big subject .its well known what Gaon and the Chasam sofer said about music , all the chassidisher tishen are based on nigun ,the Beis Hamikdosh .nevuo only came through music
    my point of emotions in general is a very valid point .
    take a heimisher Yeshivah in middle of seder or on Yomim noroim ,an compare to a Dati Leumi etc
    the atmosphere is electric or in seder its like a battle field , i am just trying to bring out clrearly Rabbi Lopiansky point

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1418615
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    Corrections!
    I wish to prove the point how can we tell which sect/ group is most connected to yiddishkeit?
    On the whole it’s a pretty good gage.
    Nigun is the neshomo the soul of yiddishket.
    Who brings most of our wealth of nigunim sung Shabbos or Simcha etc? Dati or charedi? Modern or charedi?
    It poors forth from those that are emotionally committed
    Go to any dati or similar gathering.whose songs are sung ?
    Or by the kotel Shabbos.

    in reply to: Rabbi Aharon Lopiansky on Modern Othodox/Dati vs. Chareidi #1418602
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    Agree fully .
    I wish to prove the point how can we tell which site group most connected to yiddishkeit?
    On the whole it’s a pretty good gage.
    Nigun is the neshomo the soul of yiddishket.
    Who brings most of our wealth of nigunim sung Shabbos or Simcha etc? Dati or charedi? Modern or charedi?
    It poors forth from those that are emotionally commuted

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