24 Responses

1. What’s the scoop?

   Is the Belzer Rebbe the missing link, since he is very close to Rav Steinman, or is there other info missing?

2. Karliner rebbe has been against it from the beginning

3. Years ago, when a person didn’t know, ‘yes or no’, he went to a Rebbeh.
   Today, the Rebbeim themselves are so iffy, Yes No Yes No.

   In the meantime the danger is just looming that Geshmakeh Heimishe Bucherim will have to do battle in the dangerous northern border or against Iran’s high-tech weaponry.

4. I am very happy that this asifa was canceled because there are a number of people that will be in Las Vegas next week for the CES(Central Electronics Show) & will not be able to attend.

5. Boruch Hashem.

6. The real truth will never come out as to the cancellation of this ill-designed rally. Very few privileged people will know the real reason for the cancellation.

7. it doesn’t show well for the Rebbes to be changing their mind, but on the other hand the ability to know when to change is also a gadlus. Oh well, i was looking forward to seeing all these great men.

8. Yira, the greater danger is from their secular comrades and officers whose goal is to eradicate orthodoxy from Eretz Yisrael.

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9. My disappointment is beyond words!

10. #3 Yira – you disgust me.

    Your “Geshmakeh Heimishe Bucherim” should not go to the army because of putting themselves in danger, but the lives of other Jews, many of them just as Frum and who would also love to do nothing more than learn in Yeshiva all day, are none of your concern?

    Yes, there are issues with the level of Ruchnius in the army that need to be addressed if Chareidim are to feel comfortable serving – and I can understand the concerns of those who raise this as a reason to oppose the draft. But your reason? I can not think of a more callous, self-centered view than yours.

    When you treat other Jews as disposable cannon fodder whose job in life is to do the dirty and difficult work that you don’t want to do yourself, do you have a right to be surprised when those other Jews resent you?

    an Israeli Yid

11. Are they backing down? So they not want to ally with anti-zionists such as Satmar (which aren’t affected by loss of government money are are legitimately conscientious objectors based on their opposition to the state’s existence)? Are their supporters unwilling to oppose the medinah even if it means closing down the yeshivos for 18-21 year olds (excluding those with protectsia who will be exempted)? Did they decide that travelling to New York in the middle of winter is not a good strategy politically?

12. I can’t see how a protest in New York or Lakewood would change the politics in Israel anyhow.

    I think they should serve in the military. Why should anyone else risk their life to defend them if they won’t defend themselves?

13. Nu Nu what’s the hock?

14. were are the yeshiva boys going to do now they have no were to go and do can the yeshivas come up with an other activite for bochorim

15. aniraeliyid I’m glad we have some sane people left

16. #10- I believe he was being sarcastic….

17. Perhaps, just perhaps, they feel that the political situation at this time is such that it is likely to cause more harm to Klal Yisroel than good.

18. good idea it everybody.media, comedians (daily show) antisemitic people would of had a field day.\

    Look at these ungrateful people not even willing to fight for a Jewish state would day even bother to do anything for any other country they live in, NO

19. #16 Yanky55 – could be.

    The reason for my strong reaction is that there was a poster a few months ago (possibly Yira, possibly someone else) who spouted the same line of garbage about the need to prevent “our tayere bochurim” from being put in physical danger in the army – and that poster was quite serious in his/her view. There most certainly is an attitude amongst many in the Chareidi community that the non-Chareidim are useful only as the woodchoppers and water drawers for Chareidim – that it’s beneath a Chareidi’s dignity to get one’s hands dirty with the mundane aspects of life, such as defending the Am Hashem HaYoshev B’Tzion. It’s that attitude that I detected – and responded to – in Yira’s comment.

    an Israeli Yid

20. Oh, so means that we are going in tzava?

21. So many opinions … so little information.

    Remember the old joke about the plural of “yenta”. The new punchline is “YWN commenters”.

22. #19 – You are right and if I recall correctly it was Yira, at least he/she does honor to his nickname since they are afraid….

    Yira, if you believe that these things are dangers and dangerous for Klal Yisrael then according to the Chazon Ish you have to join the army (or pay “army tax”) since you don’t fall in the category of talmidei chachomim who are so immersed in their learning and spirituality that they are indeed protected by their learning and don’t see a danger.
    Most of the Yeshiva World these days doesn’t fall inside the described demands.

    Basically if you believe it’s needed you can’t say someone else will do it for you.

23. The zionists created this problem and danger by creating their little medina, let the zionists defend it. Even if Chareidim (who have lived in EY since the 1700s) do NOT go to yeshiva. Even if they are workers. We will still not serve in their immoral army.

24. #23 – “Here since the 1700s”? Don’t make me laugh. The vast majority of today’s Chareidim are descendants of people who came either in the early 1900s or after WW II – times when the Zionist movement made it practicable for Jews to come to what became Israel.

    Your revisionist version of history is no better than that of the Arabs who deny any Jewish connection with Eretz Yisrael – and your lack of gratitude is worse.

    an Israeli Yid