January 16, 2011 at 3:26 pm #594234
Any suggestions of places to live outside NY?
January 16, 2011 at 3:44 pm #1035951
Lakewood, Monsey, Passaic, Woodbury, Clifton, what area?
January 16, 2011 at 3:48 pm #1035952
Well what kind of community are you looking for?
January 16, 2011 at 3:59 pm #1035953
So it happens to be we are really looking to move out of our apt since we cant stand the ppl on top of us. They are beyond disgusting. whatever! anyways we figured while we’re at it we might as well move out of our community. Although we only got married 10 months ago we dont like the schools here 100%. one of the schools has 6 parallel classes per grade with like 25 kids in each class. its ridiculous. aside from that, we just want to go somewhere else but we need to be near a chabad house!
January 16, 2011 at 4:25 pm #1035954
If you’re Lubab you have more destinations to choose from than the rest of us. There are thousands of Chabad houses all over the world.
January 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm #1035955
Chicago has a nice Lubab community and its a nice place to live. You should check it out!
January 16, 2011 at 4:56 pm #1035956
There are many beautiful Jewish communities outside of New York with cheap housing, low taxes, and lots of job opportunities. Check out Atlanta, Denver, Norfolk Va, Phoenix, Dallas, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, and more! All of these cities have shuls, kosher food, and Jewish schools. Some of them have even more educational opportunities – bais yaakov high schools and yeshiva high schools — Atlanta, Denver, Norfolk, and Dallas for example. And then there are of course the older, more established “out of town” communities – Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Miami.
January 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm #1035957
truth be toldMember
Other than a Chabad house and decent upstairs neighbors, what type of community infrastructures do you need?
January 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm #1035958
At home bubbieParticipant
Look in to Baltimore
January 16, 2011 at 5:19 pm #1035959
Blstrasburger, you left out Boston/Brookline/Brighton and Sharon, MA. They have a number of fine Chabad houses and schools.
January 16, 2011 at 5:32 pm #1035960
Boston/Brookline/Brighton and Sharon, MA.
In Rhode Island, there’s Providence and Warwick (Chabad Houses)
January 16, 2011 at 5:37 pm #1035961
my hubs is from Boston but we dont want to live there.
January 16, 2011 at 5:40 pm #1035962
There is a lovely Chabad House in Scottsdale, Arizona. The real estate market there is one of the most depressed in the country, so if you can get a job, you will live well for much less.
Good luck in your search!
January 16, 2011 at 6:04 pm #1035963
Pashuteh Yid, I wanted to focus on places with low taxes and more robust economic growth. For that, you need to head south and west (Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta, Denver, Norfolk). Not to mention that the weather is better! But of course, Boston also has a very nice community. Same with Scranton and Cleveland and Detroit and Milwaukee… Also we shouldn’t forget Seattle and Portland.
All major cities in the United States have Orthodox communities that would welcome new families. Some cities have more options in terms of chinuch and shuls than others, but you can’t go wrong with any major city. And you’ll be doing your family a favor in terms of Jewish life and quality of life in general.
January 16, 2011 at 6:11 pm #1035964
do you all live in NY?
January 16, 2011 at 7:07 pm #1035965
Pittsburgh has a very nice large Lubavich community and a relatively low cost of living.
January 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm #1035966
January 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm #1035967
is lubab a proper thing to call someone? unfortunatly ive heard some people use that term derogatorily
January 16, 2011 at 9:02 pm #1035968
There is no place outside of NY (in chutz laaretz) that has the intensity of Torah and Yiddishkeit as New York. That’s why most frum Jews in America call New York their home.
January 16, 2011 at 9:09 pm #1035969
Yerushalayim, Kiryat Sefer, Bnei Brak, Be’er Sheva, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Netanya, Ra’anana, Imanu’el, the list goes on and on . . . If you’re looking to go through the hassle of moving, then why not move to Israel?
January 16, 2011 at 9:20 pm #1035970
being a lubab its not a deragatory term. if u mean it as derogatory then it is but usually not. its the same as u call a chassidish guy a belzer or bobover is a stolliner etc etc
January 16, 2011 at 9:41 pm #1035971
Gabboim- HEY! HOW ABOUT LAKEWOOD?!?!!
I think it’s much more Torahdik!!!!
January 16, 2011 at 9:48 pm #1035972
cutie pie: There is more Torah in New York. In Lakewood it’s more concentrated though.
January 16, 2011 at 9:49 pm #1035973
January 16, 2011 at 10:00 pm #1035974
houston, hollywood,FL, Madison,WI, Sandy Springs,GA, Savanna,GA, Los Angeles,CA, Detroit,MI, St.Louis,Missouri, Indianappolis, Minneapolis,MN, San Antonio, San Francisco, Jacksonville,FL, Charlotte,NC, Seattle,WA, Denver, Milwaukee, Washington, Silver Spring,Portland, Tuscon, Cleveland, Raleigh,NC, Tampa. Toledo, Buffalo,NY, Orlando, Birmingham,AL, Irvine,CA, Des Moines, Fort Lauderdale,FL, Vancouver, Eugene,OR, Boulder…..the list goes on and on and on and so many of them have great school with small classes, where each kid in the class isn’t a clone or some mold or cookie to fit into the cookie cutter, or whatever other metaphor people use….you will actually be needed and feel like you have a purpose…so much to give jewishly….your kids will feel proud to be Jewish and will behave accordingly (in many cases…)…..
January 16, 2011 at 10:13 pm #1035975
St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands is lovely this time of year AND they have a Chabad House.
January 16, 2011 at 10:21 pm #1035976
Monsey, Lakewood, Passaic.
January 16, 2011 at 10:34 pm #1035977
I agree with Dr Charlie Hall that Pittsburgh is a nice option.
Go Steelers !
January 16, 2011 at 10:39 pm #1035978
Ramat, places you mentioned have such limited Jewish communities. Ft Lauderdale, for example, just researched, hard to find a minyan for mincha unless you can make it on a very strict timing, no other options in town, same for Maariv. Limited Kosher food options if you keep cholov yisroel and no bakery with pas Yis. How big can the school be? and if any, most kids would be kiruv kids, no mainstream. I love the larger communities, with full services……
January 16, 2011 at 10:48 pm #1035979
truth be toldMember
Professional: Ft Lauderdale is a 5 minute drive from Aventura, which has several properly Kosher stores (pas and cholov yisroel, very good hechsher) and several shuls and, two yeshivas, as well as about a 7 minute drive from Hollywood which also has several shuls….
January 16, 2011 at 11:09 pm #1035980
No one seems to have mentioned Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. We have relatively cheap housing, kosher food, pizza store, restaurant, schools, Chabad houses all over the Philadelphia area and outside the area, lots of young families and it’s less than a 2-hour drive to Brooklyn! Quite a few Chabad families live here and it’s a nice out of town area to bring up your kids.
January 16, 2011 at 11:46 pm #1035981
If you’re tired of the snow and the cold,consider Phoenix. As a previous entry noted there is an active Chabad in Scottsdale but Phoenix has the larger community.In Phoenix,there are a number of preschool options , including Chabad ; there is a day school through 8th grade, a separate boys and girls high schools, a kollel; a number of shuls – Chabad, Young Israel, Ohr HaTorah ( affiliated with the kollel), Beth Joseph ( at the day school), and two Bukharian congregations; morning minyanim are 6:30, 7:00(Chabad), 7:30(boys high school), mincha at 1:25 at the boys high school, 3:30 at the day school, the rest at shekia. There’s a ma’ariv at 8 at the boys high school and 9 at one of the Bukharian shuls. There are presently two pizza shops, two delis with sit down service and a kosher market in each, another kosher market in Phoenix, and Chabad has a kosher restaurant and market in Scottsdale. There is also another fleishig restaurant in Phoenix that does not have a market, and a new fleishig restaurant in nearby Glendale opening today. Housing is cheap compared to NY, you can find for under $200,000, and you’ll get a nice backyard for you sukkah. Job situation depends on what your credentials are . You don’t make as much as in NY but it’s cheaper here to live.
I suggest you call Rabbi Zalman Levertov at Chabad of Phoenix for any information. Hatzlacha.
January 17, 2011 at 1:05 am #1035982
Can I hijack the thread a bit?
Which FRUM communities are:
1- Easy to get to Brooklyn or NYC with public transportation (in 1 hr or less),
2- Where you can walk to a grocery, and
3- Get a nice size house for something over 500,000.
Do any exist? If not, which communities come closest to the above specifications?
January 17, 2011 at 8:21 am #1035983
of course,,,you can get a nice house EVERYWHERE for over $500,000…..
January 17, 2011 at 1:58 pm #1035984
thank you e.o for your input i appreciate it.
Chaimberlin-do you live there?
January 17, 2011 at 2:13 pm #1035985
“If you’re tired of the snow and the cold,consider Phoenix”
Do visit it in the summer though before you commit, the heat then is unbelievable.
January 17, 2011 at 2:16 pm #1035986
how about waterbury? not so far but not so close to nyc- maybe hour and a half drive. great houses and a nice jewish community.
January 17, 2011 at 2:35 pm #1035987
I have lived in Phoenix now for over 17 years. Feel free to ask whatever you’d like.
January 17, 2011 at 2:51 pm #1035988
Can I put in a plug for Cleveland, Ohio? It is only 1 hour by plane to NY, has a great community and several (3 Orthodox) schools to choose from. My son is friendly with the son of a local Chabad Rabbi – they live literally around the corner from us and the shul is one block away to the other side of us. Housing is very affordable. When we sold our house about 2 1/2 years ago, we were asking $150,000 and we were told that a similar house in NY would cost around $850,000! There are 4 dairy restaurants (all Cholov Yisroel – one is a drive up pizza place) and 4 meat restaurants, including a kosher Subway. We also have 3 kosher butchers and 2 bookstores. I know that this may seem laughable to those from NY, but for an “out of town” town, it is one of the nicest places to live outside of NY. We moved here about 6 years ago and are happy we did. All the other towns mentioned (Detroit, St. Louis, etc.) are all smaller than Cleveland. Let me know if you want more information. 🙂
January 17, 2011 at 3:26 pm #1035989
chaimberlin702 – Do you like having guests on Shabbos?
Are you near the hotel?
January 17, 2011 at 4:26 pm #1035990
There is only one place in the world for Jews to live, our homeland ISRAEL! Come home we are waiting for you!
January 17, 2011 at 4:40 pm #1035991
porty-i know people from there. but they all moved away…it does seem nice though.
Chaimberlin-how about we come out to you and check it out???? lol
January 17, 2011 at 5:05 pm #1035992
I don’t understand what everyone is talking about.
I’m 99.97% sure that outside of NY there are only swamps, deserts and maybe a village or two. But I’m no geology expert.
January 17, 2011 at 5:35 pm #1035993
wait, theres places in the world other than flatbush?
January 17, 2011 at 5:46 pm #1035994
So I assume the below specs dont exist?
1- Easy to get to Brooklyn or NYC with public transportation (in an hr or less),
2- Where you can walk to a grocery, and
3- Get a nice size house for something over 500,000
If not, which communities come closest to the above specifications?
January 17, 2011 at 6:06 pm #1035995
To wisewoman: If interested there is a house for sale in Sharon MA
4 bed/2.5 bath for $415,000
To ofcourse: Passaic NJ fits all three criterias
January 17, 2011 at 6:22 pm #1035996
well there is passaic. depending on where you live, you can walk to the local grocery (Kosher Konnection) and the houses are priced over 500,000. its finding one for less that is the issue. its also less than an hour to manhatten by public
January 17, 2011 at 6:27 pm #1035997
Of course there is!!!
M O N S E Y
January 17, 2011 at 6:58 pm #1035998
Smile_its_EZ, I hear Monsey taxes are outrageous.
January 17, 2011 at 7:41 pm #1036000
1) Chabad elementary school and Yeshiva.
2) Low cost of living
3) VERY reasonable house prices (3-4 bedrooms $120,000)
4) EDchoice vouchers!!
January 18, 2011 at 9:01 pm #1036001
THANK YOU EVERYONE!
January 18, 2011 at 9:34 pm #1036002
I am from Passaic and it is a very nice community. it is not very materialistic and the people for the most part are Frum people who are always working on themselves. People call Passaic the “Out of Town In town.”
I am going to probably surprise most of you but here are some facts about passaic.
1. There are Three Elementary schools
One is the Regular Yeshivish Type of school together in the boys, girls and preschool there are about 2,000 students in three different buildings. (the girls and boys schools are on two different parts of town.
there is also Hillel which is a more main stream smaller yeshiva.
and there is a cheder which is also small.
2.There are two Misivtas in town and a Beis Yaacov
3. There are over 15 shuls
There are YU shuls (and they are very Frum)
and there are very yishivisha places
4. There is a Yeshiva Gadola under Rav Meir Stern
5. There are Full time Kolles
6.There are Pizza bagel stores as well as restaurants under the local Vad.
7. We are only Seven Miles from the city
This means with out traffic it can take fifteen minutes.
8.All of passaic is close and walkable
there is buses into the city
9. there are parks
10. There is a lot of shopping within five minutes drive
(Target, Shoprite, cosco,staples,barnsandnobeles sports authority, stop and shop, Acme, These are just to name a few.
11.With in fifteen minutes you will be in NEW YORK, Teaneck, Numerous malls.
12. Within Thirty Minutes you will be in Monsey, West Orange, Elizabith, Linden, Edison.
14. There are many many Gamachim and other Chessed Opportunity’s in passaic
These are just a few things off the top of my head
I know there is some type of chabad but i don’t know the extant.
Also the people in passaic are very nice.
January 18, 2011 at 9:40 pm #1036003
i second your opinion that people in passaic are very nice.
January 18, 2011 at 9:44 pm #1036004
How about Newark?
January 18, 2011 at 9:46 pm #1036005
I assume your also from Passaic/Clifton?
January 18, 2011 at 9:57 pm #1036006
yup. love it here!!!! wouldn’t live anywhere else.
January 18, 2011 at 10:57 pm #1036007
Cleveland is a SUPER-nice community! Midwestern values, and housing is unbelievably affordable. The only drawback is winter. Cleveland has nice museums including the Great Lakes Science Center (which is better than Liberty Science Center in NJ IMO)and the Children’s Museum, both places my family has really enjoyed going to.
They also have a world-class symphony orchestra, the Cleveland Orchestra, Severance Hall is easy to get to, and it’s only $10-15 to park. They have a summer concert series in a beautiful national park only 30 miles southeast of Cleveland. There is a ski resort near there with skiing and snowboarding.
Passaic is nice but may not be out-of-town enough for some – lots of transplanted Brooklynites, and horrific east coast prices (even now with prices depressed).
January 18, 2011 at 11:06 pm #1036008
one note on Cleveland winters: in the “heights” (Cleveland heights) people rarely shovel and the city does not put down salt. i went there for seminary, and imagine walking on a thick sheet of ice that is the road. not a fun situation. Cleveland is a place for people who tolerate the cold really well.
a plus side of Cleveland is that the housing is not as expensive, the people are really nice and friendly, and the schools there excellent.
wanderingchana: you left out one beautiful feature. lake erie is very nice, but it also gives cleveland alot of lade effect snow.
January 18, 2011 at 11:14 pm #1036009
The problem with moving out of the NY Metro Area is that salaries are generally far lower in other frum communities (as a general rule.)
January 18, 2011 at 11:16 pm #1036010
Indeed 🙂 Although Geauga County gets the brunt of the lake effect snow, anything north of Mansfield gets pounded every winter.
Also, Telshe is in Wickliffe, which is in driving but not walking distance to the Cleveland Jewish community.
I don’t know about Hebrew Academy, but I know families from outside Cleveland who send/have sent their girls to Yavneh (which is 7-12). They have a very nice, fairly new building. I have heard it has a swimming pool.
I would move there myself it it weren’t for winter (and parnassa) 🙂
January 18, 2011 at 11:30 pm #1036011
Bed-Stuy: True, but if you don’t have to pay for east coast housing etc., you don’t need as high of a salary.
October 19, 2014 at 4:30 am #1036012
My husband and I are possibly looking to move next year. We’ve already done extensive research, but I’d love to hear some “inside information”. Please only respond if you live in, or have lived in, one of the following communities:
Phoenix, Kansas City, Waterbury, Richmond, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Albany, Memphis, Atlanta, Houston, South Bend, St. Louis
[This list was generated primarily based on affordability of housing as a starting point. If you think we’ve missed something, please share!]
We are most interested in
1) accessibility of Torah: Does the rabbi give in-depth, Hebrew-sourced shiurim? Do they bring in noted scholars-in-residence?
2) politics: In communities where there are both a modern and a yeshivish presence, do the people get along? Do they talk to each other? Do they eat in each others’ houses?
3) schools: In modern schools, how strong is the Torah education? In yeshivish schools, is secular education valued and are kids encouraged to go to college? How much is tuition and are they generous with financial aid, or do they ask you to justify every dime you ever spent?
October 20, 2014 at 5:36 pm #1036014
Bump…anyone have any info?
October 21, 2014 at 12:05 am #1036015
the awesome govoahMember
wat about Indianapolis my brother lives there its a very small jewish community its very nice there the rabbi is nice, his name is Rabbi Yisrael Gettinger the only thing is they don’t have kosher restaurants they have a bakery under there hashgacha iobk for more inf go there the shuls website link removed i think the housing there is on the cheaper side also lubavitch is currently building a chabad house, people are moving over there
October 21, 2014 at 1:16 am #1036016
Awesome g, if you want to help jfem, please clarify. I think you’re trying to talk about South Bend IN, not Indianapolis IN.
October 21, 2014 at 9:29 am #1036017
the awesome govoahMember
no I’m talking about Indianapolis IN, Rabbi Gettinger moved from south bend to Indianapolis to try to help grow the community they have a day school called hhai ( Hasten Hebrew Academy) its a very nice city
this is the shuls number
Congregation B’nai Torah
(317) 253-5253 Telephone
(317) 253-5459 Fax
October 21, 2014 at 12:23 pm #1036018
I see you mentioned Albany. If you want to be a little closer to NYC you can consider the Catskills. Specifically Woodridge and South Fallsburg. I would recommend Woodridge as I live there. If you are Yeshivish then South Fallsburg.
There are express commuter buses (shortline bus) to the city (which I commute daily). Trip is a bit less then $10 each way when including transit check discount.
The day school (Torah Umesorah affiliated) is small. Hebrew studies you cannot compare to Brooklyn. Not such a high level but still good. Good secular education. They will work with you for tuition.
Housing very reasonable. On average houses around 130K. I paid less.
Every summer you live in-town as the entire city population comes up. Pretty busy between Pesach and Succos. Now it gets pretty quiet with certain weeks in the winter where it gets busy again. Yom Tov you have many people in shul and in the area.
Just 1 hour and 15 min from Monsey.
Generally speaking everyone gets along. There are all kinds that live up here year round.
Two year round kosher groceries. One Pizza shop open year round. South Fallsburg, Woodridge and Mountaindale are all pretty close to each other by car (10 min point to point). Everything is here to live in a frum community without all the people part of the time.
I have published articles I can send you with more info on the area etc… Articles were written in summer 2013.
October 21, 2014 at 12:23 pm #1036019
Is there a high school as well?
October 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm #1036020
For girls there is Bais Yaakov. South Fallsburg crowd. Boys not so sure. Most people will send boys to out of town yeshivas. I believe some people also commute children to Monsey. However I do not know anything about this option.
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