Why Are We Not Fighting The Radicals That Bother Soldiers Like Chillul Shabbos

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    Joseph
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    Better for a malcontent to be on the streets than for him to be shmadded in the army.

    #1448612

    ZionGate
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    “…..The frum ones only yell at people….”
    LOLOLOL
    Yossel, You typing that with a straight face?
    LETZ even say that that’s all they do…. IAre klollos and foul languaged pakshivillin permitted?
    Watch him come back with eppes a meimer from somebody.

    #1448665

    Yossii
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    David111

    “Yossii.
    You have clearly explained you how you fight these radicals.
    Can you elaborate on how you fight Chillul Shabbos.”
    Many streets in bnei brak and yerushlim are closed due to political chardim and gedolim fighting for it,recently rabonim have tried to stop the train building on shabbes,closing stores in Tel Aviv etc.and many of the fights for the holyness of shabbes were successful,however no rabbi has spoken against comparing chardi soldiers to pigs,kat hillal(a group of Jews who went off the derach that help anyone that wants to go off the derach,they help them get a apartment with other guys who go off etc.)uses this as a tool to bring guys off the derach and I didn’t know what to answer them(I used to have Facebook and my Facebook friend was friends with them on Facebook so I would see there shtisim sometimes)

    #1448699

    zahavasdad
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    Yeah the shmad of the disciple of the army vs the shmad of the streets with drugs and other Juvenille deliquencies

    #1448715

    ZionGate
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    …. And I’m including the vile pakshivillin that appeared in Jerusalem against Rav Shteinman, zichrono livrocho after his petirah. You don’t have to yell with the mouth, you can yell just as vulgar & obscene , even rachmono litzlan ,in Loshon Kodesh.

    #1448874

    MTAB
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    Folks, these are shomer mitzvos yidden and you have to be dan lchaf zchus, judge for the good. The problem is you are judging another culture. You sit in nice, polite America – the President aside – and judge them. But this is Israeli culture. If you think these guys are crude, you should see the chilonim. Israel has a very crude, rude culture. It’s not the fault of the Charedim. They get caught up in it even as they try to resist it.

    #1448880

    David111
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    zahavasdad “Yeah the shmad of the disciple of the army vs the shmad of the streets with drugs and other Juvenille deliquencies ”

    Do you want everyone drafted of just the ones on drugs ?

    #1448889

    zahavasdad
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    Your whole argument against the draft is that those who learn torah should not go to the army as they are protecting Klal Yisroel, Since these people are not learning and may even be doing danger to themselves or others.

    The charedi Oilem seems not to want to take responsibility for these people “They arent charedim and they wont listen to anyone anyway” , so someone needs to take responsibility for them and save them from themselves

    #1448892

    Yossii
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    Mtab
    “Folks, these are shomer mitzvos yidden and you have to be dan lchaf zchus, judge for the good. “Mtab we said there is a problem with some of the chardim hashkafa about the army and you turned the whole Isreal into rude crude people by”danim them lkaf zechus”.sorry this is not called dan lchaf zechus

    #1448911

    Joseph
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    “Your whole argument against the draft is that those who learn torah should not go to the army as they are protecting Klal Yisroel”,

    No, that’s only one of several arguments. Another is that the Israeli army purposefully attempts to shmad every inductee. This is their official policy to be a melting pot. Additionally the behavior between male and female soldiers has always been very immoral.

    #1448923

    MTAB
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    The Israeli army has always been designed to tear religion from Jews. It destroys people, particularly as its chief function has become to lock the Palestinians in a prison. It is the furthest thing from Judaism.

    #1449005

    Yossii
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    Mtab
    “”The Israeli army has always been designed to tear religion from Jews.””lol were you telling us before we need to Dan lchav zechus lol

    #1449020

    David111
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    “some of the chardim hashkafa about the army and you turned the whole Isreal into rude crude people by”danim them lkaf zechus”.sorry this is not called dan lchaf zechus”

    Rude? They are fighting for the survival of Yiddishkeit in Israel.

    #1449019

    David111
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    “The charedi Oilem seems not to want to take responsibility for these people “They arent charedim and they wont listen to anyone anyway” , so someone needs to take responsibility for them and save them from themselves”

    Who are these people ? The people that protest against chilul shabbos or again gezeiros geyus ?
    Or is it the Drug addicts thats disturbing you?

    #1449076

    MTAB
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    “”lol were you telling us before we need to Dan lchav zechus lol”

    don cchof zchus applies to proper frum jews. You don’t have to be dan l’chaf zchus on apikorsim. Brothers means brothers in mitzvos.

    #1449313

    Yossii
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    David111
    “Rude? They are fighting for the survival of Yiddishkeit in Israel.”
    I was quoting Mtab that said the chardim are rude because they are learning from the chilonim,I wouldn’t write that about the chardim or chilonim I was talking only about calling names to soldiers and calling them pigs which I said is a wrong hashkafa which is cosing them to do aviros but in general they might be good people

    #1449341

    MTAB
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    <I was quoting Mtab that said the chardim are rude b>

    i did not say charedim are rude, i’m saying that chilonim are psychotic and some of that rubs off on some charedim, the culture is a crazy culture, zionism from the outset was intended to rid jews of torah, and the result of jews without torah is madness, so israel is a mad culture, so if you see charedim calling soldiers names that’s where it comes from, and also the society, which worships soldiers, is threatening to destroy charedi life with the draft

    #1449335

    Yossii
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    Mtab
    It says “hevi Dan es kol hudum lchaf zechus” it doesn’t say anything about brother

    #1452784

    MTAB
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    “It says “hevi Dan es kol hudum lchaf zechus” it doesn’t say anything about brother”

    it’s poshut, judge on the scale of merit means he has merits and you could judge him either way
    if he is not frum he doesn’t have merit

    we cut the non-frum way too much slack
    you want to keep shabbos, we’ll help you
    but if you don’t you have no credibility

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