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What is the proper Hakoros Hatov that the State of Israel should show and give to the United States for all the massive amounts of American military, economic and political support for the State of Israel?
If the U.S. didn’t provide such support, the State of Israel would be in a far more atrocious predicament.
The United States uses Israel as a Middle East outpost, if Israel got destroyed ch”v America would lose that upper hand
Israel should offer to become the 51st state of the U.S.
They’d have protection, the u.s. would have the biggest stronghold of power in the region, decades ahead of iran, Russia abd china, and we wouldn’t be burdened with enemies who take out the wors “jew” and insert “zionist” to claim moral superiority while advocating for the murder of Jews.
I strongly disagree that Israel would be worse off without U.S. aid. Take Gaza for example. If not for U.S. pressure (which comes with the aid), Israel would have finished off Hamas many years ago, and 10/7 never would’ve happened.
There are plenty of other examples where Israel has been hamstrung by U.S. pressure.
Additionally, especially compared to the aid it gives other countries, the U.S. gets a lot back in return for its Israel aid, in the form of intelligence, technological research, and influence.
I’m not saying we don’t owe the U.S. for the aid. Just keep in mind what we lose and give back in return.we as Jews should care for the betterment for the people of America. having said that as amazing as the aid has been it comes with downsides for Israel and america. (Israels lack of autonomy, the american military industrial complex)
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in the headline, by destroying Hamas.By not getting bent out of shape and responding every time the U.S. leadership has to issue certain statements which appear to be contrary to Israeli policy positions or doctrine. Just as Bibi has to posture for the right wing of his coalition, Biden has to posture for the “progressive” wing of his own party, especially when it comes to the perceived suffering of women and children in Gaza.
By voting out Netanyahu who has not got along well with American presidents recently.
Minutes in to 2024 and we already have the troll post of the year! Bravo!
“Minutes in to 2024 and we already have the troll post of the year! Bravo!..
Hard to say if Reb yosef actually meant to pose a serious question, which this is. The Israeli and American governments both have decades of experience in managing the politics of their public statements for local consumption. Netanyahu has to appease lunatics on hisright and Biden has his “progressive” wing. Both seem to be able to manage their messaging quite well w/o undermining their actual non-public coordination efforts.Before we can answer the original question,
we must understand a few things about USA military aid to Israel:[1] USA military aid to Israel is NOT a free gift!
Israel is required to spend more than 90% of USA military aid on weapons that are sold ONLY by USA military companies. Therefore, USA military aid to Israel is really subsidizing privately-owned, for-profit USA military companies, which increases the price of their stock.
[2] Weapons produced by USA military companies are not always compatible with Israel’s military needs. For example, they are sometimes:
too expensive to buy, are too expensive to operate, difficult or expensive to maintain, too big, too heavy, or cannot work together to co-operate with Israel’s other military hardware,
or do not work correctly in Israel’s hot sandy desert climate.[3] When Israel receives military hardware from the USA, the usual result is that Israel sends it back to the USA with many free improvements, which increases the quality of USA military hardware.
> USA military aid to Israel is NOT a free gift
these are not good arguments. Help, even conditional, is important and requires appropriate gratitude. You sound like a welfare recipient who says that the country is better off by giving him money because he is not breaking into stores or is a great lamdan.
Always_Ask_Questions:
I never said that Jews should have no gratitude to the USA.
Please read what I said, again.SQRT, thank you for the meal last shabbos , it was wonderful, but of course you subsidized your own wife instead of using professional chef, food was not to my taste and the portions were small.
Hard question to answer, except maybe what huju said. Bibi apparently thinks caving in to the pressure is the correct response. Hard to argue, if Israel is dependent on the USA.
What is clear is that Israel must become militarily dependent and work on making their own weapons. The weakness of the state is so blatant, which is what Arabs feed off.Avira, terrible idea. Currently Israel is a few years behind American depravity, why expedite it?
The united states is just sent as a shliach from Hashem to be at Israel side when they need help but it’s really all coming directly from Hashem and every yid needs to thank Hashem for sending Donald Trump and the Medina shel chessed of the USA to always be there for Israel.
May we all start realizing who really runs the entire world and everything comes with a plan. Let’s start doing teshuva today and not wait any longer so Hashem can send mashiach already bkarov.
Funny how suddenly we should thank the u.s.a for aid.
Under Biden, who sent tons and tons of armaments, who, by the way, now use it so exquisitely against our main enemy, no one ever thought to thank him.
But the shmock who now runs the white house, and has only been in office 6 weeks, or whatever, suddenly he is Israel’s saviori. Without those armaments sent by Biden for over a year, Hashem only knows where we would stand now.
You guys make me sick.Yecheil,
Dont stick around too much and go watch cnn or msnbc
You’ll feel better soon
This subject is kefira. Hashem runs the world. As Rav Shternbuch shlita said, Hashem is protecting the people of Eretz Yisroel from Iran. They must absolutely thank Hashem instead of thanking their army or America.
Lehavdil the subject reminds me of whiny sports fans. When their rival wins they say the rival team needs to thank the refs/umps. Follow Rav Shternbuch shlita, no need to be a sore loser.
The shocking message DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM of this current war between Israel and Iran
THE MESSAGE
On June 13th 2025 Israel hit the country of Iran and it’s nuclear power in all directions to work on destroying and preventing Iran from coming out with a nuclear weapon to Chas VShalom use for the wrong reason. Iran also hit Israel back with ballistic missiles and drones and caused severe damage and deaths to innocent civilians in Israel and everyone is asking what is the message DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM? The answer is that the date the war started was on 6/13 and when klal yisroel doesn’t LISTEN to Hashem and keep the entire Torah of 613 mitzvos as we took upon ourselves at kabbalas Hatorah then Hashem has to send us a horrific wake up call message for serious immediate Teshuva and Achdus together with fasting like we did in the story of Purim which happened in Iran/Persia, so Hashem can finally send mashiach already bkarov and let this war be the start of Milchemes Gog Umagog before mashiach comes.@yechiell,
“You guys make me sick.”
I suggest professional help, they have therapy and medication for thisSam,
do you know that it is just your country that counts days backwards? Are you suggesting, H’V, that Yidden in other countries, including Israel, have 136 mitzvos? OR is the message just for the Yidden of the USA?Actually what I wrote above is wrong and I retract it. there is a need for hakaras hatov to someone for having a machshava tova even though the yeshuah would have been brought about in other ways.
AAQ
do we say June 13 or 13 June? So the entire world except America says 13 June? That’s what you seem to be saying. But we know that’s not true and just ridiculous.
It’s the same as the tragedy of 9/11 September 11 which when ready in Hebrew is Tisha which means 9 and Av is the 11th month of the jewish year. Exactly as we say it Tisha B’av is 9/11 we don’t say av Tisha
May we finally accept Hashem’s wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can finally send mashiach already bkarov.
Lernt > there is a need for hakaras hatov to someone for having a machshava tova even though the yeshuah would have been brought about in other ways.
indeed. Mordechai says that to Esther explicitly – we can be saved without you. Doesn’t diminish her zechuyos.
Sam, De Nile is not just a river in Mitzrayim
> thank Hashem instead of thanking their army or America.
I don’t know about you, but I go through life usually thanking people for doing something for me, starting from my wife’s dinner to a driver who decided not to run me over. Are you freezing every time to decide whether this person deserves thanks or only Hashem does.
I guess I can see if someone clearly evil, a criminal, a terrorist, a mafiosi, does something for me, I might think about it. So maybe if people in your community are trained to consider Israeli government as evil, they need to view it this way.
AAQ
sure a person needs to also thank the messenger who helped him. BUT WHO SENT HIM? Who kept you on good terms with your boss and got you more customers? It all comes directly from Hashem who is so hidden that we don’t realize it comes from Hashem. Don’t we all know the famous fact “Hakol bidei shomayim chutz miyiras shomayim” which means that everything is in the hands of Hashem except for fear of Hashem.
May we all come to realize this and it will bring you closer to Hashem our loving father and king of Kings
I am very proud of Trump and thank him profusely. Now if only the Maga crowd would Thank Biden for providing Israel with all these armaments for over a year that are so important and in use today. But I won’t hold my breath
Biden (or whoever was running the White House in his name) went out of his way to limit what Israel could do. It was only after Biden’s disastrous debate that Israel was able to go into Rafah and dop what needed to be done.
Look at all the Democrats attacking Trump for daring to stop Iran from getting nukes. Why would any yid for for Democrats when the party is strongly Pro Palestinian? It used to be the party elders were Pro Israel and the younger generation was more Pro Palestinian. Now the elders have joined the youngers.
Yecheil,
We already did you were just too busy with trump to realize
crazy suspiciously hasnt posted since motzaei shabbos
Ard, crazy was part of Trumps sneaky campaign to misdirect Iranian agents reading ywn into believing that there will be no strike. He is currently posting on rt messing up rusim whilst their emunah in maga
By not lying about Democrats (their true allies). The Biden admin delivered years worth of ammo to Israel last year while Republicans blocked emergency aid in 2023. Facts don’t matter to the right wingers on this forum though.
its funny how people dont even respond to fandango
Reminder
A] the following is somejew’s “psak” :
this is somejews language , copied and pasted :
In (very) short, that means that if goyim – chas v’shulem – threaten masses of jews, our kosher responses are: make peace, give gifts, run away, and pray to G-d. What we are not allowed to do is organize an army and physically fight the enemy.
[somejew]
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B] the following is maran habet yosefs psak in his halacha sefer the shulchan aruch :
halacha mandates , violating Shabbos to physically fight against an enemy that attempts to seize even ‘kash vateven’ —since it begins with kash and ends with lives (Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim, siman 329).
Will repeat again :
mandates to …. physically fight against an enemy.
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This is the question mr somejew –
How do you fit A with B ?
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.yb- you dont have to post the same thing on every thread, its annoying
You are right.
Apologise.
Wanted to make sure somejew sees it and responds.
And if he doesnot respond we will know for sure that he saw it .
And his lack of response will be the ultimate sign that he lacks a response.
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.“its funny how people dont even respond to fandango“
Ard,
Im starting to learn that too
😉
I will respond to fandango.
” The Biden admin delivered years worth of ammo to Israel last year ;;;. Facts don’t matter to the right wingers on this forum though.”
I totally agree with him. Can anyone disagree with those lines? The truth hurts, magaists, eh?
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