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Recently a number of leading poskim in Eretz Yisroel reiterated the blanked ban for any Jew to join the violent heretical death cult called the “IDF”.
Those rabbunim were explicit for some reasons that this is currently and will never in the future be allowed under any absurd attempts to kasher that p!g with various “tracks” like “netzak yizrael” or others.However the rabbunim also added “there are other reasons for this” of why there can never be a kosher track in the Zionist army cult. My question do you think the “additional reasons” might be?
Here is a translation of the published psak and signatures:
בס”ד, סיון תשפ”ה<br>
B’S’D [With God’s help], Sivan 5785 [June 2025]<br><br>פסק הלכה<br>
Halachic Ruling<br><br>לשאלת רבים שאין תורתם אומנותם<br>
For the question of the many whose Torah is not their profession<br><br>על פי דין תורה איסור חמור להתגייס לצבא המהווה כור היתוך לחמורות שבחמורות ולפריקת עול.<br>
According to Torah law, it is a severe prohibition to enlist in the army, which constitutes a melting pot for the most severe [transgressions] and the casting off of the yoke [of Heaven].<br><br>האיסור כולל גם מסלולים חרדיים שכבר קמו או שיקומו בעתיד, שהרי הוחזקו לשקר, בנוסף למגמתם לשנות את מהותו של ציבור שומרי התורה והמצוות, וכן כפיפותם לערכאות, ויש בזה עוד טעמים.<br>
The prohibition also includes Haredi tracks that have already been established or will be established in the future, as they have been proven to be deceitful, in addition to their aim to change the essence of the public of Torah and Mitzvot observers, and also their submission to [secular] courts, and there are other reasons for this.<br><br>והכרזה שסופו של התהליך הוא התגייסות לצבא לכל דבר.<br>
And a declaration that the end of this process is enlistment in the army for all intents and purposes.<br><br>וע”ז באנו על החתום (בסדר קבלתם)<br>
And for this we have signed (in the order of their receipt).<br><br><br>
Section 1: The Greats of Torah and Hasidut<br>
גדולי התורה והחסידות, וגדולי ההוראה דק”ק גור, צאנז ועוד<br>
The Greats of Torah and Hasidut, and the Greats of Halachic Rulings of the holy communities of Ger, Sanz, and more<br>-
Yechiel Michal Zilber<br>Rosh Yeshiva of Zvhil<br>
And besides this, I heard from the mouth of the Gaon of Tchebin zt”l, who ruled according to the Gemara (Berachot 4) that even King David, who went out to war, would consult with the Sanhedrin, and would ask the Urim and Thummim. The Gaon zt”l said, how is it possible to send a Jewish boy to the army and to war when there is no Sanhedrin and no Urim and Thummim. Whichever boy it may be. (Written according to his instruction).<br>
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Shmuel David HaCohen Gross<br>From the elder Rabbis of Ger<br>Av Beit Din (Head of Rabbinical Court) in the Rabbinical Court of HaKrayot Ashdod<br>
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Naftali Nussbaum<br>Av Beit Din Ahavat Shalom<br>Rosh Yeshiva Chayei Moshe<br>
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Dov Weiss<br>Ga’avad (Chief Rabbi) of Kiryat Sanz, Jerusalem<br>
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Mordechai Tzvi Greenfield<br>Rabbi of the holy community of Chernobyl<br>
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Chaim Elazar Weiss<br>Ga’avad (Chief Rabbi) of Beitar Illit<br>
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Chaim Shmerler<br>Rabbi of the Beit Midrash “Heichal Tzvi Sanz” and Rosh Yeshiva of Oraisa<br>
Like Yehuda and more, regarding this simple matter which is as clear as an egg in milk.<br>
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Section 3: Beit Din Tzedek Zichron Meir<br>
בית דין צדק זכרון מאיר – וגדולי ההוראה דק”ק ויז’ניץ<br>
Beit Din Tzedek (Court of Righteous Justice) Zichron Meir – and the Greats of Halachic Rulings of the holy community of Vizhnitz<br>-
Moshe Shaul Klein<br>Rabbi of the Or HaChaim neighborhood and Av Beit Din of Vizhnitz<br>
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Shmuel Eliezer Stern<br>Av Beit Din of West Bnei Brak<br>
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Yaakov Meir Stern<br>Dayan (Rabbinic Judge) of the Vizhnitz community and Av Beit Din of Kehilot Yaakov, Bnei Brak<br>
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Yosef Binyamin HaLevi Wosner<br>The holy Admor (Grand Rabbi) of Shevet HaLevi<br>
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Section 4: Beit Din Tzedek Machzikei HaDas<br>
בית דין צדק מחזיקי הדת – דק”ק בעלזא<br>
Beit Din Tzedek (Court of Righteous Justice) Machzikei HaDas – of the holy community of Belz<br>-
Chaim Tzvi Shapira<br>Ra’avad (Chief Rabbi) of Machzikei HaDas, Belz<br>
With God’s help, the above words are true and steadfast, and one must not come to “their” melting pot, as it is dangerous and contradicts our holy Torah. With great respect.<br>
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Chaim Pesach Horowitz<br>Dayan (Rabbinic Judge) of the Belz Ashdod community and Member of the Beit Din Tzedek of Machzikei HaDas<br>
I hereby support and affirm all of the above, primarily to safeguard every Jewish soul to remain in holiness and purity for our holy Torah. And on this, I have signed.<br>
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HaKatan Shammai Kehat Gross HaCohen<br>Member of the Beit Din Tzedek of Machzikei HaDas, Belz<br>
Signed on the greatness of the responsibility that is in this, and they are, God forbid, to be lenient and to push aside a soul for a soul.<br>
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NO
not the shevi’es
not the so called ‘heresy’ of ZPlain old and genuine yiddishkait problems
which formed the most gdolim’s historic opposition to Z
NOT THE MINORITY SATMAR CONCERNSany other portrayal is plain sheker
if somejew has some honesty he should concede this valid point.
The only difference between Satmar and most of the other Gedolim was how to deal with and interact with the State post facto. Most said you can vote and take money, whereas Satmar holds you cannot vote and cannot accept Israeli government funding.
Otherwise, Brisk, Agudas Yisroel, the Litvish and the other Chasidish all held and hold the same as Satmar vis-a-vis Zionism.
The difference is very minor. On virtually all the significant questions they all hold the same.
Of course, the Poskim live comfortably under the blanket of security that the IDF provides, while complaining about the way the IDF provides it.
so what solutions do they offer? another holocaust?
so what solutions do they offer? another holocaust?
@somejew – First of all, please provide the Hebrew original.
Second, the objections are the same tired objections the Charedi world expresses every 30 seconds, which are not going to change without Charedim enlisting en-masse and forcing the change they want. They have nothing to do with your favorite bogey-man, Zionism.
@ujm – Zionism has nothing to do with this, Joe. See above.Somejewiknow,
So, if you lived in the United States in 1942, how would you evade the draft?The only difference between Satmar and most of the other Gedolim was how to deal with and interact with the State post facto. [maybe]
The difference however is very major.
satmar , ujm , katan and somejew are not concerned about the safety of millions of innocents , yoshvei tsion.
whereas most other gdolim i.e. Agudas Yisroel, the Litvish and the other Chasidish all , are concerned about the safety of millions of innocents , yoshvei tsion.
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that is a huge difference.
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.Of course, the Poskim live comfortably under the blanket of security that the IDF provides, while complaining about the way the IDF provides it.
—Why not ?
Why shouldn’t they complain ?
It is the responsibility of the one who created the mess , to clean it up afterwards.
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.5TResident:
You have an interesting definition of “comfort”. And you’re forgetting that the wicked Zionists invaded a century ago against the will of the Jews there. Nobody asked the Zionists to invade. They chose to do so against the will of the Jews there. The Zionists are responsible for their own mess they made.5TResident – Of course, you live comfortably under the blanket of security of the Five Towns, while complaining about the way we deal with the complex situation here. There is a lot more going on here on all sides than you will ever see on YWN, so it is disingenuous to just throw out cheap complaints. The Poskim, Roshei Yeshivos, Rebbes, etc., who live here and dedicate their lives to helping and guiding Yidden here, are not ‘complaining’. They are dealing with very real problems that even the (more serious end of the) Dati-Leumi do not deny exist. Are you aware, for example, that there is a movement of Dati-Leumi women lobbying to protect their husbands (who serve in active combat units) from ‘gender integration issues’ in the Army ודי למבין…
On a practical level, the Army needs the Chareidim like a hole in their head. On the Secular side, this is all about Right versus Left, Supreme Court versus elected government, Only Bibi versus Anything Other Than Bibi, Yuli Edelstein trying to send his boss into retirement and become the next boss, Bennett taking another shot at the Piñata and not caring what will happen the day after, and other שאר ירקות that are very relevant to the security needs of Israel. There are plenty of Tzfonbonim who go to college in Europe instead of going to the Army, or else do a short stint in an Army office or media outlet. On the Chareidi (and a growing portion of the Chardali) side, this is primarily about והיה מחניך קדוש, which is a very serious issue that can potentially be יהרג ואל יעבור, (for girls, literally יהרג ואל יעבור, as paskened by the חזון איש). If you don’t know what a ‘Tzfonboni’ or a ‘Chardali’ is, then you may want to educate yourself more about the nuances of Israeli society before formulating your opinions.
Traitors, through and through.
Most likely that these “gedolei poskim” (whatever the heck that is) have no idea what’s going on in this policy other than “no”. Deep understanding of policy, deep.
So if the army is such a problematic place, how should we defend our country? We shouldn’t have an army at all? Don’t tell me the Zionists shouldn’t have invaded the land cos we can’t turn the clock back. What do we do now? Bring back the British mandate?
anonymous > So, if you lived in the United States in 1942, how would you evade the draft?
Maybe Lubavitcher Rebbe’s way (by working for the Navy_
YYA > On a practical level, the Army needs the Chareidim like a hole in their head.
The rational part of the current matzav is a prolonged war. Israel was previously successful at making war quickly. With long engagements, resources are stretched. There is increase in sending women closer to combat than usual. Given how emphatic R Kotler was against drafting women into Tzahal, maybe he would suggest to send available men instead?
Maybe you mean that Caredim are not prepared for the Army? This is “killing the parents and asking for rahmanus as an orphan”. They are not prepared because they refused to prepare. In practical terms, those who want to do teshuva could use pathways that can be accessed faster – maybe drivers, cooks, computer engineers …
YYA> Only Bibi versus Anything Other Than Bibi, Yuli Edelstein trying to send his boss into retirement and become the next boss, Bennett taking another shot at the Piñata and not caring what will happen the day after, and other שאר ירקות that are very relevant to the security needs of Israel.
I agree that a lot of heat is generated by people trying to get ahead politically. Maybe there is a moment now, again, to try to join together, whether in the army or in tehilim.
I think I joked already that the new law was secretly written by Roshei Yeshivos to make learners learn. And here it is reported second-hand:
>> And the sanctions going into force immediately would actually be welcomed by many rabbis — who would prefer that their students not travel abroad or engage in other behavior that would distract them from their studies, said Yanky Faber, a reporter for Behadrei Haredim.
>> “They don’t mind these sanctions at all,” he said. -
Yechiel Michal Zilber<br>Rosh Yeshiva of Zvhil<br>
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