Gedolei Poskim in EY Again: All Jews Are Forever Forbidden From IDF. Why?

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    somejewiknow
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    Recently a number of leading poskim in Eretz Yisroel reiterated the blanked ban for any Jew to join the violent heretical death cult called the “IDF”.
    Those rabbunim were explicit for some reasons that this is currently and will never in the future be allowed under any absurd attempts to kasher that p!g with various “tracks” like “netzak yizrael” or others.

    However the rabbunim also added “there are other reasons for this” of why there can never be a kosher track in the Zionist army cult. My question do you think the “additional reasons” might be?

    Here is a translation of the published psak and signatures:

    בס”ד, סיון תשפ”ה<br>
    B’S’D [With God’s help], Sivan 5785 [June 2025]<br><br>

    פסק הלכה<br>
    Halachic Ruling<br><br>

    לשאלת רבים שאין תורתם אומנותם<br>
    For the question of the many whose Torah is not their profession<br><br>

    על פי דין תורה איסור חמור להתגייס לצבא המהווה כור היתוך לחמורות שבחמורות ולפריקת עול.<br>
    According to Torah law, it is a severe prohibition to enlist in the army, which constitutes a melting pot for the most severe [transgressions] and the casting off of the yoke [of Heaven].<br><br>

    האיסור כולל גם מסלולים חרדיים שכבר קמו או שיקומו בעתיד, שהרי הוחזקו לשקר, בנוסף למגמתם לשנות את מהותו של ציבור שומרי התורה והמצוות, וכן כפיפותם לערכאות, ויש בזה עוד טעמים.<br>
    The prohibition also includes Haredi tracks that have already been established or will be established in the future, as they have been proven to be deceitful, in addition to their aim to change the essence of the public of Torah and Mitzvot observers, and also their submission to [secular] courts, and there are other reasons for this.<br><br>

    והכרזה שסופו של התהליך הוא התגייסות לצבא לכל דבר.<br>
    And a declaration that the end of this process is enlistment in the army for all intents and purposes.<br><br>

    וע”ז באנו על החתום (בסדר קבלתם)<br>
    And for this we have signed (in the order of their receipt).<br><br>

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    Section 1: The Greats of Torah and Hasidut<br>
    גדולי התורה והחסידות, וגדולי ההוראה דק”ק גור, צאנז ועוד<br>
    The Greats of Torah and Hasidut, and the Greats of Halachic Rulings of the holy communities of Ger, Sanz, and more<br>

    • Yechiel Michal Zilber<br>Rosh Yeshiva of Zvhil<br>
      And besides this, I heard from the mouth of the Gaon of Tchebin zt”l, who ruled according to the Gemara (Berachot 4) that even King David, who went out to war, would consult with the Sanhedrin, and would ask the Urim and Thummim. The Gaon zt”l said, how is it possible to send a Jewish boy to the army and to war when there is no Sanhedrin and no Urim and Thummim. Whichever boy it may be. (Written according to his instruction).<br>
      (Signature)
    • Shmuel David HaCohen Gross<br>From the elder Rabbis of Ger<br>Av Beit Din (Head of Rabbinical Court) in the Rabbinical Court of HaKrayot Ashdod<br>
      (Signature and Stamp)
    • Naftali Nussbaum<br>Av Beit Din Ahavat Shalom<br>Rosh Yeshiva Chayei Moshe<br>
      (Signature)

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    • Dov Weiss<br>Ga’avad (Chief Rabbi) of Kiryat Sanz, Jerusalem<br>
      (Signature)
    • Mordechai Tzvi Greenfield<br>Rabbi of the holy community of Chernobyl<br>
      (Signature)
    • Chaim Elazar Weiss<br>Ga’avad (Chief Rabbi) of Beitar Illit<br>
      (Signature)
    • Chaim Shmerler<br>Rabbi of the Beit Midrash “Heichal Tzvi Sanz” and Rosh Yeshiva of Oraisa<br>
      Like Yehuda and more, regarding this simple matter which is as clear as an egg in milk.<br>
      (Signature)

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    Section 3: Beit Din Tzedek Zichron Meir<br>
    בית דין צדק זכרון מאיר – וגדולי ההוראה דק”ק ויז’ניץ<br>
    Beit Din Tzedek (Court of Righteous Justice) Zichron Meir – and the Greats of Halachic Rulings of the holy community of Vizhnitz<br>

    • Moshe Shaul Klein<br>Rabbi of the Or HaChaim neighborhood and Av Beit Din of Vizhnitz<br>
      (Signature)
    • Shmuel Eliezer Stern<br>Av Beit Din of West Bnei Brak<br>
      (Signature)
    • Yaakov Meir Stern<br>Dayan (Rabbinic Judge) of the Vizhnitz community and Av Beit Din of Kehilot Yaakov, Bnei Brak<br>
      (Signature)
    • Yosef Binyamin HaLevi Wosner<br>The holy Admor (Grand Rabbi) of Shevet HaLevi<br>
      (Signature)

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    Section 4: Beit Din Tzedek Machzikei HaDas<br>
    בית דין צדק מחזיקי הדת – דק”ק בעלזא<br>
    Beit Din Tzedek (Court of Righteous Justice) Machzikei HaDas – of the holy community of Belz<br>

    • Chaim Tzvi Shapira<br>Ra’avad (Chief Rabbi) of Machzikei HaDas, Belz<br>
      With God’s help, the above words are true and steadfast, and one must not come to “their” melting pot, as it is dangerous and contradicts our holy Torah. With great respect.<br>
      (Handwritten text and signature)
    • Chaim Pesach Horowitz<br>Dayan (Rabbinic Judge) of the Belz Ashdod community and Member of the Beit Din Tzedek of Machzikei HaDas<br>
      I hereby support and affirm all of the above, primarily to safeguard every Jewish soul to remain in holiness and purity for our holy Torah. And on this, I have signed.<br>
      (Handwritten text and signature)
    • HaKatan Shammai Kehat Gross HaCohen<br>Member of the Beit Din Tzedek of Machzikei HaDas, Belz<br>
      Signed on the greatness of the responsibility that is in this, and they are, God forbid, to be lenient and to push aside a soul for a soul.<br>
      (Handwritten text and signature)
    #2409824
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    I thought maybe the “other reasons for this” is the Shalosh Shevios. makes sense?

    #2409855
    yankel berel
    Participant

    NO
    not the shevi’es
    not the so called ‘heresy’ of Z

    Plain old and genuine yiddishkait problems
    which formed the most gdolim’s historic opposition to Z
    NOT THE MINORITY SATMAR CONCERNS

    any other portrayal is plain sheker

    if somejew has some honesty he should concede this valid point.

    #2410013
    ujm
    Participant

    The only difference between Satmar and most of the other Gedolim was how to deal with and interact with the State post facto. Most said you can vote and take money, whereas Satmar holds you cannot vote and cannot accept Israeli government funding.

    Otherwise, Brisk, Agudas Yisroel, the Litvish and the other Chasidish all held and hold the same as Satmar vis-a-vis Zionism.

    The difference is very minor. On virtually all the significant questions they all hold the same.

    #2410012
    5TResident
    Participant

    Of course, the Poskim live comfortably under the blanket of security that the IDF provides, while complaining about the way the IDF provides it.

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