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These comments were made on a Youtube video titled
“Understanding Hasidic Anti-Zionism” by Frieda Vizel:__________________________________________
@yehudahecht1520 said this:“The Satmar Rov expelled Neturei Karta from his shuls.
And after Oct 7 [2023 CE], the Satmar community
sent millions of dollars to support their fellow Jews in Israel.”__________________________________________
@FriedaVizelBrooklyn said this:“That’s what we were always told, about Satmar Rebbe
expelling NK. I was never able to independently
substantiate it but I have heard it from many
in Williamsburg especially recently.”__________________________________________
@mikegee2819 said this:My grandfather was Satmar, but when the time came
to defend the Jewish people,
he wouldn’t think twice and joined the IDF.
He served in the Lebanon war.I remember as a teenager when I was in yeshiva in Israel,
he came to israel for a visit.He said, “Let’s go to the kosel. shhh, don’t tell anyone,
in sarcastic banter. He would read the Yid or Tzeitung
and cry every time there was a terrorist attack in Israel.__________________________________________
@cameronmichal said this:“Neturei Karta boils my blood.
They are not helping anything.”__________________________________________
@craiglevin9395 said this:“I am Orthodox but more in line with Rav Shach
and others who advocate a greater cooperation
with the secular state.”__________________________________________
@J.00-g4p said this:“Neturei Karta is like the Westboro Baptist Church of Judaism.
I guess every religion has a group that’s an outright embarrassment.”__________________________________________
@rob.953 said this:“Naturei Karta by supporting Hamas
and other violent enemies of Israel are
complicit in the murders of their fellow Jews.”__________________________________________
@RafaelRabinovich1 said this:“I understand that the Satmar Rebbe….openly condemned
those who desecrated Shabbos to march with gentiles
who celebrated the attack on Jews on October 7 [2023 CE].Meaning – he spoke against the support that the NK
lend to the first anti-Israel marches after Oct. 7, on 2023.Satmar does not aid, support, or sympathize with
violent acts against Jews, regardless of whether
those are religious or non religious Jews, Zionists or not.”__________________________________________
@ariebrons7976 said this:Also the Neturei Karta have been excommunicated in 2010.
Halachically they aren’t orthodox Jews anymore,
but rather “ethnic” Jews, or Hebrews.Excommunication in Judaism is quite a feat by the way:
After the Holocaust it has only ever been issued twice:
Against the Neturei Karta, and Lev Tahor.__________________________________________
@Sandra-Gibora said this:“Neturei Karta may be tiny, but they are so horribly visible and loud.
They are the evil son, Rasha, excluding themselves from the nation (klal).
And if they had been in Egypt, they would not have been redeemed.”
__________________________________________Please stop spamming these boards with your nonsense. If you have your own opinion, then that’s one thing. But we don’t need to read here random opinions from YouTube.
Your idol and its leaders are infinitely worse than any NK. If anyone loves the evil Zionists and their “State” but hates NK, then he obviously is not basing himself on Torah.
The NK have used some questionable means, but their message is the Torah’s message, and crucial for both gentiles and Zionist Jews: Zionism and its “State” do not represent Jews, and Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do or do not do.
NK helps the global jewish community ALOT on social media and YouTube.
If not for NK, there wouldn’t be a jew in the world that is safe.
They mitigate around 20% of the issues that the zionists cause.
I know there are people here who oppose the state of Israel and I appreciate the argument. I think they don’t appreciate that the state of Israel is the main way Hashem openly protects the Jewish people. We can agree to disagree. But any person or group who advocates with those whose goal is to murder jews is evil. Saying that there should not be a secular state of Israel before moshiach comes is very different than standing side by side and supporting terrorists with Jewish blood on their hands. Anyone who suooorts NK is not a follower of Avraham yitzchak and Yaakov and I can’t imagine Moshe would recognize him as a member of the covenant. On the day of judgment I can’t imagine HKBH recognizing someone who supports Hamas and Arafat as His son.
Whatever your view on Zionism is the NK are not a frum group. They are a Palestinian Nationalist group. And not just an a Palestinian Nationalist group , rather they always gravitate and advocate for whichever Palestinian Nationalist group is the most bloodthirsty and sadistic at the current time. They use their long beards and peyos to give a hechesr and haskama on people who in the non-Jewish world are looked at sadistic mass murderers. Not only that alredy in the 1930s Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzenski said about them and their ilk that for a Torah perspective they are less no guilty of the Shalosh Shevous and Hisgays B’Umoas than the ecther Zionists. Kal V’Chomr today when they are little more than a sadistic Palestinian Nationalist group
Satmar and Neturei Karta have similar views. However, in 1967 the Satmar Rebbe said that everything he says is just between Jews and not for the goyim. Rav Henkin zt”l said that anyone who tries to incite Arabs on the Yidden in Israel is a rodeif and moseir. Mesira is one of the worst crimes in shulchan aruch (v. Chohen mishpat siman 388 seif 1). Trying to egg on Palestinians and Iranians to kill Jews makes them kapos. The views of roitzchim and moisrim are irrelevant. Nobody asks a kapo what his views are. By contrast, the REAL Torah Antizionists like Rav Shternbuch zt”l pray that the yidden of Eretz Yisroel be protected from the Iranians. They don’t go hugging Khameini. As the Satmar Rebbe zt”l said in 1967, velamalshinim al tehi sikva. As the kotxzker rebbe zt”l said, frum alaein is a roitzeach. Don’t let the NK who hang out here ruin the views of real tzaddikim like Rav Shternbuch zt”l. One can be antizionist without rooting for yidden to die and without giving aid and comfort to Palestinians on their podcasts. The Satmar Rebbe’s views on Zionism are one in a sea of views. But the Satmar Rebbe zt”l wasn’t a killer. Don’t throw Satmar and NK in the same boat.
On the other hand, we know that most of the Pro Palestinian protesters are paid by various NGO’s. I always wonder how much these NK guys get paid for their redifus. Vos tut men nisht far kein parnassa.keith:
What you seem to miss is that they show that support specifically to prove the point that Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism and that the Zionists do not represent Jews so, therefore, Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do.That doesn’t halachically validate their actions, but to make it seem as if they are inherently pro-Palestinian is simply silly. Again, by supporting the Palestinians, that demonstrates to the world that you cannot logically equate Judaism and Zionism and Jews and Israel, and that is the very crucially needed point, so that gentiles should not be angry at Jews because of anything the Zionists do or don’t do.
This should be obvious to all Jews.
hakatan is showing his true colors, hugging the sponsors of the murderers of thousands of jews is not the torahs message, the nk support the mass murder of yidden (whose death is considered al kiddush hashem), im not a zionist but there are many dl people who are far closer to hashem than hakatan
R’ Zilbershtein sleeps on a board as a reminder of the hostages while hakatan says that supporting hamas is Hashems message
The moderators should delete this entire stupid worthless
discussion, which was started by a lunatic who is hopelessly
addicted to laitzanus [mockery], which violates Torah law.
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