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@damoshe
You have posted nonsent, at best misguided nonsense, but you say things that have no place in Torah.
I will you give you an opportunity to show your receipts:

1) where did “R’ Chaim Vital, R’ Meir Simcha of Dvinsk and R’ Shlomo Kluger.” publish a shita that the “three oaths” of gemara kesibos page 111 are as a rule NOT to be kept?

2) There are three relevant prohibitions included in the “Three Oaths”: A) dechikas hakeitz B)shelo ya’ali bachomeh C) hisgaris baimos.
Please source in seforim ANY coherent shita express that doesn’t have zionism breaking at least ONE of them.

I posit that, despite there being some edge case debate on limits of the prohibitions of some of the three oaths, there is simply NO WAY to claim that zionism doesn’t violate at least one of them.

I continue to claim that ALL RABONIM – even kofrim like shmook – say that 1) we are obligated generally to keep the “three shevios” and 2) the zionists certainly violated and continue to violate them.

The best of the RZ galachs claim a “hora’as shueh” to battle Hashem’s Torah and join the IDF, similar to the excuses yashke’s students claimed to worship that moshiach sheker.