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yb:
No, it says plainly – do it. Fight . Save the people .
I there would be a caveat , SHULHAN ARUCH or one of the other commentators would have said : STOP , only if this is bir’shut hamelechwhy did not anyone say one word ????
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sj:
no, it says plainly that carrying weapons is not chilil shabbos. at no point does SA tell Jews to fight.=================
use your sechel .
if there is reason to be mehalal shabat its p/n
thats pashut , so
its pashut one is required to fight , and
that’s the language ‘yotsin aleihen bichei zayan’
we should go out and fight them with weapons , in sh’a hilch shabat 329 from eiruvin 45A
.As I told s/j numerous times
1] sh’ a OC 329 mandates yotsin aleihen bikli zayin ,meaning
you go and fight them with weapons.
2] sh’a YD 156 clearly states that any other avera besides the three hamurot , meaning
all other averot [including supposed oaths] yaavor veal yehareig , because pikuach nefesh is doche all issurim , meaning
you go, fight and save lives
3] supposed issur of oaths are never mentioned anywhere in sh’a , not in OC , not in YD , not in EH, and not in CM., meaning
there is no issur to fight in the first place
Three clear proofs that sh’a plus rama plus all nosei keilim disagree with maharal [mentioned in a non halachik sefer]
.in any other area of halacha that means a clear
winning – hands down .
each proof by itself stands
they do not need each other
in other words
full proof , times three
.if there would be any reservations or qualifications in these halachot in sh’a
either sh’a or rama or nosei keilim should have said something
this is halacha pesuka
ledorot and lema’aseh
for p/n , if needed,
you fight
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.s/j:
you seem to be blissfully ignorant that the shalosh shavios are all specifically limits to Jewish action in the face of dinei nafashos. i.e. they all specifically tell us what we are NOT allowed to do to save Jewish lives from the difficulty of gulis.—
not muchrach .
supposed issur of the oaths could be in the face of other galut hardships , not necessarily p/n ones
there are plenty of other ones
or even without any hardships , just because they want to return to EY
.avnei nezer says there is no punishments at all for going against the oaths
the punishment mentioned is for an apparent disconnection between the person and HKBH
the persons inclination to go against the oaths is only a thermometer of the level of [dis]connection between the person and HKBH
pikuach nefesh would for sure be doche that
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You know what I’m noticing all this commentary is taking us away from the framework of basic morality. You don’t need more then your conscience and a good connection to right and wrong to make moral choices _accross_ the board. The extra commentary just complicated reality.
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