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I have no issue with the avnei nezer. many quote him, including in vayoel moshe, and no one is brothered by what he writes as his conclusion is as clear and obvious as his introduction which is that the shevios should be followed or the punishment is great.

Reread what I wrote as, like most things in Torah, you aren’t paying attention.

The full explanation of Vayoel Moshe in the binding nature of the Shulosh Shevios is very much in line with and at times explicitly built off the aforementioned exploitation of the Avnei Nezer.

I am not bothered, of course, by the Torah, I am bothered by your brazen willingness to be completely dishonest about what that Torah says.
You are not being honest about what is clearly written in Shulchan Aroch, not honest about Avnei Nezer, not honest about Vayoel Moshe, and ultimately you are not honest about what the Gemureh itself originally taught us.

Your statements about any of these sources are completely incoherent even when taken at face value in the original texts! Even more so when you consider them in broader context of each other and even more so with how the many other authorities learn any of them!

Again, I point you to your brazed lie about what the Shulchan Aroch writes in the siman you referenced regarding “vyaharog v’al yaavor. Please, go ahead and quote those three or four lines of Shulhcna Aroch and see if it aligns your anti-Torah claims.