Reply To: Why did kimchis have seven sons who were kohen gadol

i think they say torah shebiksav without havanah is torah but torah shebaal peh isnt. cud be r elchanan in maamarim

I always took that to mean that if you read torah without having any idea what you are saying and what the words mean that it is learning, unlike gemara.

I don’t think that means havana besides what the words are saying though.