fedup11210:
“it does not say that you should get drunk until you know nothing. It says that you should drink “ad dlo yadha bein arur haman and boruch mordechai!”
You’re right. I meant to right “practically nothing”, as I think it’s fair to assume that one who doesn’t know the difference between boruch Mordechai and arur Haman doesn’t know too much else either.
yummy cupcake:
“it is so backward to think that chazal would want us to make ourselves sick and throw up and act so disgusting. i can’t stand when i see ppl like that on purim”
Why do you consider this “backwards” and “disgusting”? Why can’t you stand seeing people like that? I would assume that the reason (and the reason for much of the opposition to drinking on Purim in general) is rooted almost entirely in modern Western culture that looks down upon drinking. But to judge a halacha as “backwards” and “disgusting” based upon outside values is absolutely wrong. Remember, today’s culture considers our approach to mishkav zachor to be “backwards” and “disgusting”, too… But does that mean we should change our views on the subject?!
“and just as a side point- which really is not really a side point, but also very important- it is SUCH a chillul Hashem! what do you think goes though the minds of other ppl when they see drunken jews throwing up on every block?”
Again, what do you think passes through the minds of the Goyim when they hear that we think mishkav zachor should be punishable by death? I doubt its very positive. Does that mean that make the issur of mishkav zachor a chillul Hashem?
“does it make sense that that is what Hashem wants from us?”
Does Hashem want us to follow the Halacha?
Does the Halacha say to drink?
I believe the answer to both of these questions is yes. And therefore, it is most certainly the ratzon Hashem that we drink on Purim. You may not understand it, you may not like it, but I don’t see how you can deny it.
Sam2:
“The Kanoi Next Door: So it’s a Kula to not get drunk?”
Some hold you must get drunk on Purim, others hold you do not have to. Sounds like a kulah to me.
Wolf:
“Sorry, I’ve got too much to do on Purim to get drunk.”
Are you too busy to listen to the Megilah? Or give shalach manos?
yummy cupcake:
“you should just be aware that there is drunk as in ranging from being a little high to being mildly drunk, then there is drunk as in more than mildly drunk to being grossly throwing up drunk. the first type i am ok with. the second type i am not.”
Again, what you do or do not like to see has little bearing on what the halacha is.
“and i don’t think that the rishonim/acharonim would be ok with it either if they saw to what degree many ppl do it.”
Why do you assume that? The simplest reading of Gemora, Rambam, Rosh, Tor and Shulchan Oruch all seem to say that one must drink until you are very, very drunk.