Joseph: “lilmod, correct, I’m saying it isn’t so (LB’s assertion about higher spirituality, which is commonly heard these days in some circles.) I directly made that point, with details and sources, in the second post of this thread citing the Maharal and many others. And you’re also absolutely correct that these posts are not about putting anyone down; after all how could Torah do that to anyone. And it certainly was never my intent. I also though the title could have been better descriptive after I made it (and could no loner edit it.)
Also, nowadays it has become popular in many circles to put men down. In popular culture, on TV programs, in advertisements and elsewhere, it is popular to make the men out to be imbeciles who are corrected and smartly fixed by the heroine. Even in some frum circles if, for example, you go to a sheva brochos you’ll hear jokes at the husbands expense but never the other way. A speaker might advise the choson that the two most important words are yes, honey, though you’ll rarely to never hear that public advice to the kallah in those circles. Even when teaching obligations these days the focus in some circles appears heavily on what his are to her rather than hers to him. Of course both are equally important to know, but if one skips half of it, then it’s sometimes necessary to stress the parts that this generation is often lacking in hearing.”
Joseph, I never got around to thanking you for making this clear. It’s unfortunate that most people who see this thread only read the title and OP and kind of get the wrong impression.
It was also enlightening to hear your perspective that it is in style to put men down nowadays. That was something I had not really been aware of. It definitely is food for thought. Thank you.
I am curious to know what other men posters think about that. I imagine that it is something that most men wouldn’t admit, at least in real life (which may be part of the reason why it could potentially be easier in some ways for women to get away with putting men down than the other way around) but maybe on an anonymous website they would.