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Toi
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@Avi K-

You said:
1. Toi, we are dealing with people who either have undergone giur or are children of those who have (the main Beta Israel aliya occurred almost forty years ago although there were aliyot before and after). The Eida does not recognize anyone outside their own little circle as being real observant Jews.

2. I saw three hechsherim on Barkan wine: Rabbanut, Badatz Bet Yosef (established by Rav Ovadia – the Bet Yosef is machmir on the percentage of water allowed and once at a wedding RO said “shehakol” on the wine) and Chug Chatam Sofer (Chareidim, mainly Chassidim and mainly in Petach Tikva and Bnei Brak). As Barkan is sold internationally I presume that the other two are non-Israeli and thus do not appear on Israeli labels.

3. I have already listed the kullot that come from this chumra. Scroll up.

Here are the answers. You bet like heck I’m gonna copy this whole thing before posting in case I get another error.

1. That is unverified; you have no idea if that’s true. Even if true, the Eida may be taking issue with the geirus performed, specifically if it wasn’t taken very seriously in the first place, as is their right. Your last statement at the end of this point is blatant motzi shem ra, and you probably just threw it in cuz you don’t like them.

2. How is anything in this point relevant to the conversation. Rabbanut is literally a worthless hechsher, this is not a political opinion, no one in Israel who takes their judaism seriously will eat it. I dont mean chareidim, I mean anyone. My mizrachi relatives wont eat rabbanut, and ive met other mizrachis who refuse to eat it, insisting they refuse to go to hell just for politics. People coming from the USA are simply ignorant about how pathetic a hechsher rabbanut is, and fall prey to the “hebrew words=kosher” syndrome. BBY is not much better, and regarded as nearly worthless by most people. R Ovadia wanted to make a rabbanut style hechsher for sfardim, mostly for instances where rabbanut/ashkenazi kulos rendered the food unkosher for sfardim. It’s not a better hechsher, it just avoids the ashkenazi psakim that sfardim hold to be trief. Secondly, you’ve just unwittingly exposed an utter lack of knowledge on the subject of Israeli hechsherim. CS of BB and PT are two entirely different hechsherim. CSBB was better when R Vosner ztl was alive, now not as good but still decent. CSPT is awful, to quote R Berkowitz- an american, highly regarded, entirely non fanatical posek “having a CSPT hechsher on a product doesn’t make it treif.”
3. No