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CS can you say that I haven’t addressed ANY of the issues when I clearly addressed the first one that you raised. But this seems to be something you do often, considering something not having been addressed if the answer doesn’t suit you.

At any rate:
“”Regarding demanding / using strong language with Hashem:”

You have changed your terminology to include “using harsh language” which was never the discussion. The discussion was ONLY regarding demanding from Hashem.

“1) lama nigara”

For the umpteenth time “lama nigara” is NOT a demand according to any translation. It is a question. Yes, there is an implication of a request, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO DEMAND! Furthermore, not only is it not a demand but they did not even speak to Hashem. The passuk says that the spoke to Moshe Rabbeinu. Look it up.

” 2) ad mosai in tehillim and kinos”

Once again, not a demand a question implying a strong request. Can you find me a source that explains it as a demand?

” 3) kol ma sheomer lecha habaal habayis asei chutz mitzei”

What does that have to do with it? Your – I assume it’s actually your rebbe’s – interpretation of it is very nice but it does not fit in with what you are saying. Even according to your interpretation. we (and the Shechina) ARE ALREADY “outside” and we want to get back inside. To the best of my knowledge it doesn’t say anywhere that when the baal habayis says not to come in you don’t have to listen to him.

” 4) davening for others vs oneself – Moshe micheini na, Rochel Imeinu – is Your Mercy less than mine?”

Where do we see a demand in either of the two cases above? Note: “na” means please. People who say please aren’t normally demanding.

Now I’m challenging you. Either show me how I am wrong in the above or admit that they are NOT good proofs. Don’t go back down the rabbit-hole Toi mentioned and claim that I haven’t addressed the issue, as you have done in the past. I have addressed ALL of them, except that of the Chofetz Chaim, and remember that I am the one who found and presented the source of that proof, so I am not trying to evade any issue.

I’m sorry if I sound insulting, but I – and I believe a number of other posters – are very frustrated with the way you just keep making statements without basis, challenge us to rebut them, and then when we do, you ignore our rebuttals and claim that we are the ones who are doing the ignoring.

So please step up to the challenge: rebut the way I (and others) have refuted your claims (and merely citing your rebbe is not a valid form of rebuttal) or admit that you have been proven wrong and that the only sources you have are the interpretations of your rebbe.