Seriously? That is the “proof” that we dont respect our tzaddikim and gedolim!? Because we are honest about who they are?! Did you know paroah told the mitzrim he didnt go to the bathroom and they believed that, does that mean they had even more respect for their leader?
It’s not a proof of anything. But if I was an Egyptian talking to another Egyptian, I would say that we respect Pharaoh more than “you” respect Moshe.
Our gedolim and rabbeim are HOLY yidden, not because we think they are god, super human, or free of sin (something we would have NO way of knowing), but because they surround themselves in kedusha. Their yeshivos, offices, kehillas, speech, approach to others is filled with kedusha. And their homes are surrounded by and filled with kedusha thanks to the akeres habayis who is ALWAYS the personification of tznius is behavior and dress.
I agree with you. The Rebbe was definitely very holy, both in terms of Chumros, and in terms of his learning, and in terms of what he surrounded himself with.
I think that you’re missing the context of the conversation. From context, I thought that someone (Chossid) was getting this close to insulting the Gedolim. So I told him that while you do argue with us on how to relate to Gedolim on certain matters, you do, on the whole, relate to your Gedolim with pretty much the same respect that we respect the Rebbe. I never said that you don’t respect your Gedolim.
What happened was, that @np asked what do we argue about in terms of respect. So I quoted a Tanya that you seem to disagree with. This Tanya wasn’t something I made up, or the current Lubavitcher Rebbe made up. It’s an explicit Tanya. While I’m not saying that your Rabbonim can’t argue on him, but he was an accepted Rov, his Shulchan Aruch was quoted in the Mishna Brura, many Lubavitch Chassidim were accepted Poskim, outside the Lubavitch world, throughout the generations (such as the Toras Chesed and Reb Avrohom Chaim Naeh). I think that it would be appropriate to treat his works with the basic respect that they deserve.
Did you ever meet the wives of our gedolim, did you ever read stories about them or talk to people who knew them? These women, the akeres habayis of our gedolim made sure their husbands were surrounded by kedusha. Which, as you see in the quote above above, is the souce of yiras shomayim and cannot be found where there is a lack of tznius.
I’m a man (and so is everyone else on this thread except for @cs and you), so I don’t think it’s very Tzniyus to discuss details, but there are just about 5 pictures of the Rebbetzin that I was able to find. They all look pretty Tzniyus to me.
But the truth is, that while I think I’ve been pretty respectful to your circle and your Gedolim, you don’t seem to be very respectful to other people’s Gedolim.