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  • #1644579

    CS
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    Rso
    “Wrong. You CAN judge the level of tznius dressing by outside appearances. ”

    That wasn’t your argument. You’re switching it again. Your argument was who is lubavitch to tell us to learn Chassidus if they’re less holy than us and have less yiras shomayim than us as proven by their lack of tznius dress and casual mixing?

    That’s what I was addressing. To now switch it and say I was saying that DRESSING tznius doesn’t count as DRESSING tznius if it’s done for communal pressure, is never what I was saying and it is dishonest to twist my words to look that way.

    #1644576

    CS
    Participant

    K cup
    “Ironic”
    Why?

    #1644596

    CS
    Participant

    Rso:
    “CS: “So if it works, then the Rebbe is going along with it and I couldn’t be happier.”

    Just because “it works” it doesn’t prove anything. Avodah Zarah “worked” for some people, as did kishuf, but it was just as wrong as other things that don’t work.

    Don’t get all riled up. I’m not comparing here. Just showing the falseness of your argument.”

    Ya ya agreed. So I can just add in the phrase “and its good enough for (some of) my mashpiim, even if it doesn’t have an actual source in a sicha, and it works, then it’s good enough for me too and I couldn’t be happier.”

    #1644604

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    I just read עלינו לשבח in English (rabbi zilberstien) page 534-537 (on this week’s parsha) about wanting moshiach now

    It’s a good read

    #1644645

    Chossid
    Participant

    “No. My objection is, as I have written too many times already, that there the concept of Nossi Hador is not applicable to anyone alive or who was alive for the last thousands (I wrote hundreds in the past, but I think it’s in the thousands) of years. ”

    From the mekoirios brought before its says that the concept of nossi hador is in every generation (no matter how resent)…… And you say “concept of Nossi Hador is not applicable to anyone alive or who was alive for the last thousands…of years”. Very interesting.

    Furthermore, the mekoros that you quoted above that there is ONE tzaddik with a nitzotz are from a very few seforim, with the Zohar saying in at least one place (as someone pointed out in Tikunnim, I believe) that it is 600,000 neshamos in each dor.

    I can explain if you wish (don’t think it will help)

    “Yes, I do have names, and ask chassidim of many other rebbes and they may be willing to tell you names. Unlike you and others, however, I don’t believe in citing names in a public forum when I am sure the people whose names I would cite would not want to be cited! So just because I don’t cite names it doesn’t mean I don’t have the names.”
    “No. I won’t supply names of people who would not want to be mentioned. I understand that you may therefore decide not to believe me, but I know that I am telling the truth.”

    When people do stuff in public, and wore not embarrassed, because they know it’s true, and they’re doing it cuz it’s rights, I will mention their names, because they say it in public, that they hold of the Rebbe. And those are the names I quoted above.

    If the people you hold of, say otherwise why are they embarrassed to say it publicly? Aderabeh if they think they are right, they should publicize their shita, that no one should make CV”s a mistake of holding of the Rebbe. And Lubavitch.
    So maybe they are afraid to argue with so many Rebbeim and tamidei chavhomim that held of the Rebbe and Chabad chassidus??

    “I don’t see a difference between telling a non frum person to do a mitzvah, and telling a goiy to do a mitzvah”
    “To me the difference is obvious. There is a din or arvus when it comes to Yidden, but no din of arvus when it comes to goyim.
    As to the Rambam you keep quoting, I have already replied that it doesn’t apply nowadays as we can’t do what the Rambam finishes off his halocho with, i.e. punishing those who don’t in beis din. Don’t you think it noteworthy that the Rambam writes specifically לכוף which means “force” them to keep mitzvos? Is that what the lubavicher rebbe said to do?”

    No he said to tell them about it. Because obviously we can’t לכוף nowadays.

    Just because bies din can’t force upon us nowadays ד’ מיתת בית דין therefore we shouldn’t tell yiddin to keep shabbos??? Or for that matter for us to keep shabbos??? Cs”v.

    The same oibershther that told us to keep 613 and we have a chiyuv to keep them whether you get malkus or not, the same is with the goiyem, they have a chiyuv to keep 7 mitzvahs benei noach. And therefore we should encourage them to keep them.
    whether you like it or not.

    Surprise you say otherwise, and not only that you say, “stam mishigasim”

    And just to note, why are you allowed to do business with goyeim, and hang around them for a whole day, and it’s not a problem of arvus, but when you meet a goiy in the street and tell them nicely about the mitzvos Hashem wants them do fulfill, it’s somehow a problem of arvus.??

    “Good question, but the same I can’t understand how he had Ruach hakodesh and did miracles, the same to is with this. Maybe he just was not an ordinary person.”
    That doesn’t answer the question. If the Rambam paskened it as a halocho it means it applies to every Yid during his lifetime. This is something your rebbe believed as he always spoke about the primacy of halocho….

    Did he ever take that shvuah? He just didn’t sleep those days.

    And some how punked now you bring up that the Rebbe always spoke about the primacy of halacha, but in the past you say straight out that he didn’t respect halacha.

    “And yes the Rebbe had a bed in is room, but that was only in the last five years after the rebbitzim past away.”
    ??? How does that show anything at all. 1. Before she passed away he went home every night so he didn’t need a bed in his office. 2. The person who told me the story was talking about the early 80s before the rebbetzin passed away”

    I think we missed understood each other, my point was that the maskirim knew exactly when the went, home, and came to 770, and therefore knew how much he slept, besides the last 5 years they couldn’t tell, because he had a bed in his office.

    After all this time I don’t think there is a point in continuing the conversation, because you are not willing to bring even one person that your shitas are based off, after claiming that “most gedoilim don’t hold of the Rebbe”, and your opinion is worthless, whether you personally hold of the Rebbe as a tzadik or not, he knew ten times more then you, (not my opinion, but the opinion of many talmidei chachomim, some which met him personally), and that’s besides the point that he had Ruach hakodesh, and did many miracles. And your not only arguing with the Rebbe himself but all the rebbiem, gedolim, and talmedei chachomim which held of him, Lubavitch, and Chabad chassidus.

    Don’t get me wrong, your allowed to ask questions, but you can’t come to conclusions

    Hashem should give you all the brochois.
    Hatzlocha in all your endeavors.

    #1644647

    RSo
    Participant

    CS: ““and its good enough for (some of) my mashpiim, even if it doesn’t have an actual source in a sicha, and it works, then it’s good enough for me too and I couldn’t be happier.””

    Yes, that is hugely different. However, it is still problematic especially in lubavich where for the past 50 years everything has been, “The rebbe didn’t say it and no one else can make up their own views.” Who gave whichever mashpi’im the right to say that this type of (at the very least) questionable divination via the Igros is ok?

    Btw, more in a comment to other lubavichers in the forum than to you, I find the claim that most lubavichers don’t believe in using Igros in that way strange. While I cannot claim that even most of the lubavichers that I know use the Igros, I have never before heard any lubavicher say that it is wrong.

    #1644648

    Chossid
    Participant

    @chabadshlucha
    “Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times and really do need urgent anders on a regular basis. Maybe it is a bit of a chutzpa of me, but I do try to make it a two way Street and devote myself fully to the Rebbe’s shlichus and be the Rebbe’s chossid as much as I can. So if it works, then the Rebbe is going along with it and I couldn’t be happier.”

    I’m sorry but the Rebbe always said askir Al hatzion, I understand you’re on shlichus but they are many people on shlichus, includiny parents, and they don’t write to igros, if they have a question or in doubt they write to the ohel, or ask a asay lecho rav, not to a made up answer machine. It’s your right it’s a chutzpah.

    “Well in that case you actually build my case. Thanks. The Rebbe would come back from the ohel many times saying the Frierdiker Rebbe said this.
    Because he hade some connection with the frierdekir Rebbe, or Ruach hakodesh, and got an answer.

    He didn’t wait around when he had urgent questions till the day the Frierdiker Rebbe would find a way to get back to him. ”

    Oh yes he did, תש”י he didn’t except to be Rebbe right away, (and not only that he “threatened” chassidim which asked him to be Rebbe and he will run away if they continue) because the friediker Rebbe didn’t tell him to.

    And guess what? Neither did the chassidim

    Yes they did.

    “That’s why they brushed aside the Rebbe’s protests that they could write the Frierdiker Rebbe and he’ll find a way and insisted on making the Rebbe our Rebbe”

    Don’t get what you’re saying.

    “Is it my fault I don’t have ruach hakodesh and can’t ask the Rebbe directly.”
    Nope it’s not, but guess what we are in golus, and it’s not easy.

    “If you wanna know something my personal svara is that the Rebbe was trying to accomplish the avoda b koach atzmo we are forced into now, way back in tof shin yud. The chassidim managed to push it off for another 42 years but here we go again. And this time there’s no new Rebbe till moshiach. We’re the final generation.”

    ?????

    #1644646

    RSo
    Participant

    CS: “That wasn’t your argument. You’re switching it again. Your argument was…”

    Sorry, but I don’t know what you’re talking about. My argument is and was that for a group that lacks in tznius compared to all other chareidi groups to lecture us on chassidus is unacceptable.

    You wrote that you can’t just judge the tznius level of a community by the way they dress, which would allow you to say that my argument is wrong, and I countered by saying that you can indeed judge a tznius level. Therefore, lubavich’s lack of tznius shows something rotten at its core.

    No change of argument at all.

    #1644677

    CS
    Participant

    CA:
    “I just read עלינו לשבח in English (rabbi zilberstien) page 534-537 (on this week’s parsha) about wanting moshiach now

    It’s a good read”

    Care to share a synopsis?

    #1644679

    CS
    Participant

    Rso:
    “Yes, that is hugely different. However, it is still problematic especially in lubavich where for the past 50 years everything has been, “The rebbe didn’t say it and no one else can make up their own views.” Who gave whichever mashpi’im the right to say that this type of (at the very least) questionable divination via the Igros is ok?”

    I think I answered that already. Namely that people tried it to see if they could use it as one of the ways of the Rebbe getting back to them (as the Rebbe said about the FR), and as it worked and there is nothing wrong with it, it caught on.

    “Btw, more in a comment to other lubavichers in the forum than to you, I find the claim that most lubavichers don’t believe in using Igros in that way strange. While I cannot claim that even most of the lubavichers that I know use the Igros, I have never before heard any lubavicher say that it is wrong.”

    Agreed. The most I’ve heard is that they hold of using the iggros differently (in a way less applicable to my generation)

    #1644680

    CS
    Participant

    Chossid if you didn’t understand my post, there is no point in me responding to another one on the topic. Maybe ask a friend to explain it to you. I don’t think it’s that difficult to understand. In any case I’m not trying to convince you to use iggros. Yhi Loch asher Loch. I also know there are other ways the Rebbe will and has answered me. Just for me, iggros is the most personal. And I don’t write “to iggros” I write to the Ohel and open iggros afterwards… But yeah.

    #1644684

    CS
    Participant

    Rso (and neville):
    “Sorry, but I don’t know what you’re talking about. My argument is and was that for a group that lacks in tznius compared to all other chareidi groups to lecture us on chassidus is unacceptable.

    You wrote that you can’t just judge the tznius level of a community by the way they dress, which would allow you to say that my argument is wrong, and I countered by saying that you can indeed judge a tznius level. Therefore, lubavich’s lack of tznius shows something rotten at its core.

    No change of argument at all.”

    Ok you’re not leaving me with much of a choice I’ll elaborate for you. Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives, including dress but not more than everything else, as we see from Kimchis as explained and also shaul hamelech.

    Shaul hamelech is termed a tzanua by chazal not because he wore pants and not shorts. It’s because when he needed to relieve himself he used a cave inside a cave even though he was alone in the desert. Because he was so aware of Hashem’s Presence.

    So that being the case, I can definitely say that you are wrong to compare the two by dress. Of course dressing tznius counts as dressing tznius and is a mitzva even if you are no yirei shomayim, but to compare the yiras shomayim and kedusha based on dress in two communities which work completely differently is silly or should I say not a fair comparison.

    Now I have avoided it till now but I can give you two true examples (without names etc) one of a male and one of a female in chassidish communities who were much worse off in yiras shomayim than the in between Lubavitchers you complain about whos tznius levels aren’t up to par. (And I will still argue with you that its not a problem by the chassidish, just the in between and modern). And they dress the part. So yeah they get the credit for the dress but if they’re questionably frum then you can’t use them for your yiras shomayim comparisons.

    But I’m not really interested in bringing them and if you can understand my point without that would be much better.

    Unfortunately
    we also have our own bad stories. The difference is that our bad stories are about people who don’t pretend to be tznius in any shape or form and are clearly questionably frum in dress and behaviour (im not talking about our in between lubavitchers at all cvs). Whereas with yours they take great pains to dress and act the part so you would take them as a fine example to measure up in numbers where lubavitch is leaving in overall tznius and kedusha when really that’s the furthest from the truth. You understand now?

    #1644686

    CS
    Participant

    YR: would you like me to explain the “Rebbe being the brain” “the Rebbe running the world” etc? I could. I think you may have mentioned in regards to reuven wolf, but when I spoke to one of my mashpios tonight as per the Ravs instructions, she used the latter expression and I remembered that no one really answered you on that.

    Lmk any other questions if you have.

    #1644698

    username123321
    Participant

    I wasn’t aware a dead person can answer people.

    See Brachos 18b, where Amorayim went to ask people who passed away questions, and were answered. And it wasn’t even in spiritual things, it was over financial matters!

    #1644688

    RSo
    Participant

    Chossid: “From the mekoirios brought before its says that the concept of nossi hador is in every generation (no matter how resent)…… And you say “concept of Nossi Hador is not applicable to anyone alive or who was alive for the last thousands…of years”. Very interesting.”
    Are you intentionally misunderstanding what I write? Is that the only way that you can pretend to win the argument?
    I said CLEARLY (is there a way of making things bold so I don’t have to use capitals?), and I stand by it, that the concept of “Nossi Hador” does not exist and has not existed for at least hundreds of years. I DID NOT SAY that there is something wrong with saying that someone is the greatest tzaddik of his generation or the gadol hador (although I don’t know who is really qualified to make such a statement). IT IS SPECIFICALLY THE CONCEPT OF “NOSSI HADOR” THAT I OBJECT TO, and none of the mekoros quoted cite that concept. Is that clear now?

    “If the people you hold of, say otherwise why are they embarrassed to say it publicly? Aderabeh if they think they are right, they should publicize their shita, that no one should make CV”s a mistake of holding of the Rebbe. And Lubavitch.”
    There are a number of valid reasons not to mention names of people who have the views that I quote, all of them true in different circumstances.
    1. Some people out there don’t like these things being discussed in an open forum.
    2. Some people out there don’t think it proper to use the internet period!
    3. Some people out there feel that although much of what lubavich stands for today is a perversion of what they used to stand for, and that it has led many lubavichers to stray close to the line of kefirah, to attack them openly might push some over that line. So it’s more prudent to leave them alone and let them believe what they want.
    4. Some people out there don’t want to upset relatives, friends and neighbors.
    5. Some people out there are scared of a personal backlash from lubavichers who find out their views.
    It is for these reasons that I won’t name anyone who has not made a public statement. That’s why I have no problem naming Rav Shach, as he obviously did not care about any of the above.

    “The same oibershther that told us to keep 613 and we have a chiyuv to keep them whether you get malkus or not, the same is with the goiyem, they have a chiyuv to keep 7 mitzvahs benei noach. And therefore we should encourage them to keep them.
    whether you like it or not.”
    I answered that, and you even quoted my answer in your post! There is a chiyuv of arvus to get Yidden to keep the 613 mitzvos. There is NO arvus when it comes to goyim! I other words, paraphrasing what you wrote, the same Oibershter who told us to get Yidden to keep 613 mitzvos DID NOT tell us to get goyim to keep their 7 mitzvos unless we can get them to be mekabel to do so in front of three Jewish chaveirim. See the same Rambam that you quote.
    If a ben Noach keeps 7 mitzvos but is not mekabel to keep them in front of three chaveirim, he is still chayav misa. Furthermore, he has to be mekabel to keep them because they are what Hashem told Moshe that they are what the original Bnei Noach kept. Telling a ben Noach, for example, not to kill because it’s wrong, is pointless. It’s all in the next halacha in the Rambam. And certainly telling a ben Noach not to eat eiver min hachai because it’s cruel to animals is plain wrong.

    “And just to note, why are you allowed to do business with goyeim, and hang around them for a whole day, and it’s not a problem of arvus, but when you meet a goiy in the street and tell them nicely about the mitzvos Hashem wants them do fulfill, it’s somehow a problem of arvus.??”
    Aha! I just realized why you keep on arguing the same thing even though I have answered it. “Arvus” does not mean mixing, as in dealing with goyim. It means mixing as in we are all one people and all are actions are “mixed” together, so every time any Yid does a mitzvah it affects all of us, and same is true with the reverse. So the simple way of explaining arvus is “responsibility”, as in someone who is an areiv, a guarantor of a loan.
    We have no arvus for goyim therefore means that we are not responsible for their actions, and whether they keep their mitzvos or not does not affect us either for the good or the bad.

    #1644690

    RSo
    Participant

    Chossid: “If the Rambam paskened it as a halocho it means it applies to every Yid during his lifetime.
    Did he ever take that shvuah? He just didn’t sleep those days.”

    You used to argue the point, and now you seem to missing quite a few. Let me try to say it very clearly.
    The Rambam paskens that someone who makes a shevua that he won’t sleep for three days gets malkus immediately because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT SHEVUA and it is therefore a shevuas shov. That therefore means that no Yid can go without sleep for three days. NO YID because if there was the possibility of even the tzaddik hador going three days without sleep, we wouldn’t give any Yid malkus for making that shevua. At the very least we would wait to see if he falls asleep within those three days.
    So it makes no difference whether your rebbe made a shevua or not, it is IMPOSSIBLE that over sukkos he did not sleep at all.

    “And some how punked…”
    I like the look of that word here, but I think you mean “punkt” : }

    “…now you bring up that the Rebbe always spoke about the primacy of halacha, but in the past you say straight out that he didn’t respect halacha.”

    When did I say that?

    #1644691

    RSo
    Participant

    Chossid: ” after claiming that “most gedoilim don’t hold of the Rebbe””
    Did I really say that? I don’t remember saying it. What I think I remember saying is that most of the chareidi world does not hold of the rebbe, as virtually none of the litvishe/yeshivishe world hold of your rebbe, and MANY right-wing chassidim don’t either.

    “and that’s besides the point that he had Ruach hakodesh, and did many miracles. And your not only arguing with the Rebbe himself but all the rebbiem, gedolim, and talmedei chachomim which held of him, Lubavitch, and Chabad chassidus.”
    Whoa! First, I don’t believe he had ruach haKodesh, or did miracles, so you’re proving me wrong by saying something I don’t believe.
    Second, I am not arguing with all who held of chabad chassidus. I, for what it’s worth, also hold of chabad chassidus. I just don’t believe that the innovations over the last 70 years constitute chabad chassidus.
    The Malochim consider themselves chabad chassidus, and they don’t hold of your rebbe or his innovations. So you see that not holding of the latter does not necessarily mean you don’t hold of the former.

    “Don’t get me wrong, your allowed to ask questions, but you can’t come to conclusions”
    If you don’t hold of someone you can come to conclusions. I would expect that you don’t hold too highly of Rav Shach, and I easily accept that. You are therefore justified in coming to logical conclusions about his views and actions even though you are not a tzaddik or a gadol.

    “Hashem should give you all the brochois.
    Hatzlocha in all your endeavors.”

    Thank you. Vechain lemar.
    I am confident that both of us mean those brochos!

    #1644718

    username123321
    Participant

    Halocho paskens that unless you are mitzta’er and unable to accomplish the act that you are about to do, you have to do it in the sukkah. For example, if you can’t eat the mikpeh (whatever type of food that is) because the rain is ruining it, you are pattur. Similarly, if you can’t sleep in the sukkah because of the weather, mosquitoes, whatever, you are pattur. But you’re not pattur because you CAN eat or sleep and feel guilty about it.

    Lav Davka. The Alter Rebbe (Shulchan Aruch 639:8) writes:

    במקומות הקרים שיש צער לישן בסוכה מחמת הקור ואין לו כרים וכסתות כראוי אין צריך לישן בסוכה ואפילו יש לו כרים אלא שאי אפשר לו להכין להם מקום בסוכה לכל שבעת ימי החג בענין שיצטרך לטרוח להוציאן מהסוכה בשעת האכילה ולחזור ולהכניסן בעת השינה והיא טרחא יתירה ומצטער בטרחא זו בענין שאם היה לו טרחא כזו לישן בביתו לא היה ישן בביתו אינו צריך לישן בסוכה שכל המצטער בישיבת הסוכה פטור מישיבתה כמו שיתבאר בסי’ תר”מ

    So if one’s cold, he has to bring blankets unless it’s too much of a bother, that had the Sukkah been his house, he would have gone inside. So you don’t have to be in such Tzaar that you wouldn’t be able to fulfill the Mitzvah, you just have to be in enough Tzaar that had it been your house, you wouldn’t stay there.

    If I’d feel guilty sleeping in my house, I’d find another place to sleep.

    #1644708

    username123321
    Participant

    Did you ever learn the sicha inside? A guilty feeling due to [mis]understanding sisrai Torah has nothing to do with it.

    Yes I did, and that’s what it says. Look in the footnote there (62*)

    והיינו דנוסף על צערו בכלל ממצבו הירוד [שאינו מרגיש האור המקיף שבסוכה (או שפתגם של אדמור האמצאי אינו פועל עליו כו)] – שמצער זה לא ינצל גם ע”י כניססו לבית – הרי המעשה השינה עצמה גורם לו צער היתכן שיכול לישון בסוכה בלי צער

    And it’s the same idea in the Pnim.

    In short, the idea is that a Lubavitcher Chossid would feel guilty about sleeping in a Sukkah, since sleeping in a Sukkah forces him out of denial – that he doesn’t feel the Makkif of the Sukkah, even after hearing about it from the Mitteler Rebbe. I can’t speak for everyone (and I personally happen to think that not everyone who wants to call himself Chabad can rely on our leniencies, but that’s for another rant), but I, personally, think that I’d feel guilty sleeping in a Sukkah.

    So the Rebbe’s point is that guilt feeling is enough to Patur one from sleeping in a Sukka.

    #1644700

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ Username

    1) I want to reiterate that the “proof ” for initiating communication with a Tzadik who passed away from the Ari Z”l who learned Torah from RSHB”Y is a false move. The Ari Z”l did nothing to initiate that communication.

    2) Surely you know what the last Lubavitcher Rebbe wrote in the sicha regarding not sleeping in a Sukkah Why are you changing it’s content? It is, after all, the svora in the sicha that Rso was asking about.

    3) It is NOT a blanket Klal that you get to twist Halacha to justify a minchag. When such justifications are put forth (by leading Poskim) it still depends very much on how they are received by the other Poskim of that and subsequent doros. We can all go dig up justifications for just about anything you want in the vast SHU”T literature.

    4) I”m still interested to hear in what way Chabad Chassidim respect their Rebbe more then other Yidden respect their Rabbonim. You said that their is a machlokes re: degree of required respect. Please elaborate.

    #1644730

    username123321
    Participant

    Now, this might not be so politically correct, but I hope they let it through: I know Chabad and any kiruv organization tends to sell this idea that a college girl who isn’t shomer shabbos or nagia, but decides to start wearing skirts (or take on any random single halachah) is doing a way bigger mitzvah than someone in Boro Park who is totally frum. I know you guys need to say this stuff for kiruv, but for the love of all things holy don’t actually start believing it!

    We don’t say it because it’s a beautiful quote. We say it because it’s the opinion of the Tanya[1] , that being an “Oved Hashem” means fighting with oneself to go beyond what one’s used to.

    Now I’m not denying that even Boro Park has it’s Tayvos, and even people in Boro Park aren’t Tzaddikim, and have to do Avoda to avoid sinning, but Boro Park clearly has less Tayvos than a college campus, or else it would be as forbidden to live in Boro Park as it is to attend college. And while even a Frum person in a Frum environment, can fight his Yetzer Hara and be an “Oved Elokim”, personal experience is that when you live in a Frum environment, it’s easy to coast.

    But despite all that, and despite the advantage of doing Teshuva, one’s clearly forbidden to sin to become a “Baal Teshuva”, even though one can do Teshuva even after an Echteh VeAshuv[2]. The same way, one is absolutely forbidden to put himself in a Makom Nisayon by going to college or having unfiltered internet, and yet someone who does and controls himself may be an Oved Hashem more than one who’s just conventionally frum. Ultimately Schar VeOnesh is up to Hashem, and Hashem may give a working guy who learns Daf Yomi a way bigger Gan Eiden than to a a retired guy who learns five Blatt a day, simply because the first has to push himself more. Or a Tinok SheNishba who puts on Tefillin may be fighting his Yetzer Hara more by putting on his Tefillin for 5 minutes a day than I do by putting on Rabbeinu Tams.

    And it’s kind of the same situation in Crown Heights. At the same time I’ll condemn (among my Lubavitch friends) the absolute Busha that there’s no communal pressure to be Frum in Crown Heights, and this communal enforcement is something that I do respect in the Yeshivish world, I’ll say that someone that actually stays Frum in such an environment does show a certain strength of character and Yiras Shamayim.

    [1]. (Chapter 15)

    ובבינוני יש ג”כ שתי מדרגות עובד אלהים ואשר לא עבדו ואעפ”כ אינו רשע כי לא עבר מימיו שום עבירה קלה וגם קיים כל המצות שאפשר לו לקיימן ותלמוד תורה כנגד כולם ולא פסיק פומיה מגירסא אלא שאינו עושה שום מלחמה עם היצר לנצחו ע”י אור ה’ המאיר על נפש האלהית שבמוח השליט על הלב כנ”ל מפני שאין יצרו עומד לנגדו כלל לבטלו מתורתו ועבודתו ואין צריך ללחום עמו כלל כגון שהוא מתמיד בלמודו בטבעו מתולדתו על ידי תגבורת המרה שחורה וכן אין לו מלחמה מתאות נשים מפני שהוא מצונן בטבעו וכן בשאר תענוגי עוה”ז הוא מחוסר הרגש הנאה בטבעו ולכן אין צריך להתבונן כל כך בגדולת ה’ להוליד מבינתו רוח דעת ויראת ה’ במוחו להשמר שלא לעבור על מצות ל”ת ואהבת ה’ בלבו לדבקה בו בקיום המצות ות”ת כנגד כולן אלא די לו באהבה מסותרת אשר בלב כללות ישראל שנקראו אוהבי שמו ולכן אינו נקרא עובד כלל כי אהבה זו המסותרת אינה פעולתו ועבודתו כלל אלא היא ירושתנו מאבותינו לכלל ישראל וכמ”ש לקמן. וכן אף מי שאינו מתמיד בלמודו בטבעו רק שהרגיל עצמו ללמוד בהתמדה גדולה ונעשה ההרגל לו טבע שני די לו באהבה מסותרת זו אא”כ רוצה ללמוד יותר מרגילותו ובזה יובן מ”ש בגמרא דעובד אלהים היינו מי ששונה פרקו מאה פעמים ואחד ולא עבדו היינו מי ששונה פרקו מאה פעמים לבד והיינו משום שבימיהם היה הרגילות לשנות כל פרק מאה פעמים כדאיתא התם בגמרא משל משוק של חמרים שנשכרים לעשר פרסי בזוזא ולאחד עשר פרסי בתרי זוזי מפני שהוא יותר מרגילותם. ולכן זאת הפעם המאה ואחת היתרה על הרגילות שהורגל מנעוריו שקולה כנגד כולן ועולה על גביהן ביתר שאת ויתר עז להיות נקרא עובד אלהים מפני שכדי לשנות טבע הרגילות צריך לעורר את האהבה לה’ ע”י שמתבונן בגדולת ה’ במוחו לשלוט על הטבע שבחלל השמאלי המלא דם הנפש הבהמית שמהקליפה שממנה הוא הטבע וזו היא עבודה תמה לבינוני. או לעורר את האהבה המסותרת שבלבו למשול על ידה על הטבע שבחלל השמאלי שזו נקרא ג”כ עבודה להלחם עם הטבע והיצר ע”י שמעורר האהבה המסותרת בלבו משא”כ כשאין לו מלחמה כלל אין אהבה זו מצד עצמה נקראת עבודתו כלל:

    Which, if you think about it, parallels the famous Rambam:

    וְאַל יְדַמֶּה אָדָם בַּעַל תְּשׁוּבָה שֶׁהוּא מְרֻחָק מִמַּעֲלַת הַצַּדִּיקִים מִפְּנֵי הָעֲוֹנוֹת וְהַחֲטָאוֹת שֶׁעָשָׂה. אֵין הַדָּבָר כֵּן אֶלָּא אָהוּב וְנֶחְמָד הוּא לִפְנֵי הַבּוֹרֵא כְּאִלּוּ לֹא חָטָא מֵעוֹלָם. וְלֹא עוֹד אֶלָּא שֶׁשְּׂכָרוֹ הַרְבֵּה שֶׁהֲרֵי טָעַם טַעַם הַחֵטְא וּפֵרַשׁ מִמֶּנּוּ וְכָבַשׁ יִצְרוֹ. אָמְרוּ חֲכָמִים מָקוֹם שֶׁבַּעֲלֵי תְּשׁוּבָה עוֹמְדִין אֵין צַדִּיקִים גְּמוּרִין יְכוֹלִין לַעֲמֹד בּוֹ. כְּלוֹמַר מַעֲלָתָן גְּדוֹלָה מִמַּעֲלַת אֵלּוּ שֶׁלֹּא חָטְאוּ מֵעוֹלָם מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהֵן כּוֹבְשִׁים יִצְרָם יוֹתֵר מֵהֶם:

    [2] As it says in Tanya chapter 25:

    ואף ש”האומר אחטא ואשוב אין מספיקין כו'”, היינו שאין מחזיקים ידו להיות לו שעת הכושר לעשות תשובה, אבל אם דחק השעה ועשה תשובה אין לך דבר שעומד בפני התשובה

    Which follows the Rambam (Hilchos Teshuva 4:7):

    ואף ש”האומר אחטא ואשוב אין מספיקין כו'”, היינו שאין מחזיקים ידו להיות לו שעת הכושר לעשות תשובה, אבל אם דחק השעה ועשה תשובה אין לך דבר שעומד בפני התשובה

    #1644731

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    but I can give you two true examples (without names etc) one of a male and one of a female in chassidish communities who were much worse off in yiras shomayim than the in between Lubavitchers you complain about

    Mamash like the anti-vaxxers. One or two anecdotes (real or made up) and voilà – proof!

    #1644735

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What, that feeling guilty is called enough Tzaar to avoid sleeping in a Sukkah?

    Yes, it’s total nonsense. You’re better off admitting that you don’t understand than repeating and believing this total krumkeit.

    #1644732

    RSo
    Participant

    username: “So if one’s cold, he has to bring blankets unless it’s too much of a bother, that had the Sukkah been his house, he would have gone inside. So you don’t have to be in such Tzaar that you wouldn’t be able to fulfill the Mitzvah, you just have to be in enough Tzaar that had it been your house, you wouldn’t stay there.
    If I’d feel guilty sleeping in my house, I’d find another place to sleep.”

    No, you can’t make that extrapolation. There the fact that it is difficult to sleep – either due to weather or to too much bother – so one is pattur from sleeping. Note, one is not pattur from eating because he is mitzta’er if while eating he thinks about having to shlep blankets later to the sukkah.

    So too, one is not pattur if one knows that one will fall asleep and he is mitzta’er about that fact. It’s plainly ridiculous.

    #1644733

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    she used the latter expression

    Mamash avodah zarah

    #1644734

    RSo
    Participant

    CS, do you really think I am stupid or do you just simply not understand?

    “Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives…”

    Yes, yes, yes. BUT you can’t have kedusha IF you don’t have tznius in clothes. There may be mass murderers out there who dress in yeshivishe levush, and there may be people who dress chassidish who eat dovor acher on Yom Kippur (c”v to both). BUT if you see a group that does not dress tzniusdik then YOU KNOW that they don’t have kedusha regardless of everything else. And Lubavich is unfortunately well-known as having the lowest – and by that I mean against halacha – tznius of women in the chareidi world. (And btw, I mean it when I say “unfortunately”. It’s not something that makes me satisfied that I can use as a weapon.)

    #1644736

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    But yes, if you don’t have any guilty feeling, you absolutely are obligated to sleep in a Sukkah.

    Which is (almost?) everyone, yet nobody sleeps in the sukkah.

    So I asked a chossid Chabad this, and he said that he’s mitztaer that he’s not mitztaer. So I told him to be mitztaer in the sukkah, since the sukkah isn’t what’s causing the tzaar. It’s an offene Rashi.

    Total disregard for the actual halachic process. Sad.

    #1644745

    username123321
    Participant

    1) I want to reiterate that the “proof ” for initiating communication with a Tzadik who passed away from the Ari Z”l who learned Torah from RSHB”Y is a false move. The Ari Z”l did nothing to initiate that communication.

    Here’s an example of the Arizal telling his student a certain Yichud, and since that student didn’t listen to the Arizal (he talked to someone when he shouldn’t have), the Neshama didn’t reveal anything.

    Surely you know what the last Lubavitcher Rebbe wrote in the sicha regarding not sleeping in a Sukkah Why are you changing it’s content? It is, after all, the svora in the sicha that Rso was asking about.

    How am I changing its content? That HaArah was in the original Sicha.

    I”m still interested to hear in what way Chabad Chassidim respect their Rebbe more then other Yidden respect their Rabbonim. You said that their is a machlokes re: degree of required respect. Please elaborate.

    Can and do Rebbes sin? According to what I’ve read here and on previous posts, the Litvish Hashkafa is that everyone, including Gedolim, sin, to some degree or other. Sure, they won’t do anything major, Cv”s. but everyone has some minute sin in them. The Tanya, on the other hand, says that a Beinoni doesn’t sin, and a Tzaddik doesn’t have a Yetzer Hara:

    Chapter 10:

    והנה כשהאדם מגביר נפשו האלהית ונלחם כל כך עם הבהמית עד שמגרש ומבער הרע שבה מחלל השמאלי כמו שנאמר “ובערת הרע מקרבך” ואין הרע נהפך לטוב ממש נקרא צדיק שאינו גמור וצדיק ורע לו דהיינו שיש בו עדיין מעט מזער רע בחלל השמאלי אלא שכפוף ובטל לטוב מחמת מיעוטו ולכן נדמה לו כי ויגרשהו וילך לו כולו לגמרי אבל באמת אלו חלף והלך לו לגמרי כל הרע שבו היה נהפך לטוב ממש. וביאור הענין כי הנה צדיק גמור שנהפך הרע שלו לטוב ולכן נקרא צדיק וטוב לו הוא על ידי הסרת הבגדים הצואים לגמרי מהרע דהיינו למאוס מאד בתענוגי עולם הזה להתענג בם בתענוגות בני אדם למלאת תאות הגוף בלבד ולא לעבודת ה’ מפני היותם נמשכים ונשפעים מהקליפה וסטרא אחרא וכל מה שהוא מהסטרא אחרא הצדיק גמור הוא שונאו בתכלית השנאה מחמת גודל אהבתו לה’ וקדושתו באהבה רבה בתענוגים וחיבה יתרה הנ”ל כי הם זה לעומת זה כדכתיב “תכלית שנאה שנאתים לאויבים היו לי חקרני ודע לבבי” וגו’ וכפי ערך גודל האהבה לה’ כך ערך גודל השנאה לסטרא אחרא והמיאוס ברע בתכלית כי המיאוס הוא הפך האהבה ממש כמו השנאה.

    A Beinoni is someone who is in such control of himself that he never sinned and won’t sin, but has to continue fighting the Yezter Hara the whole time.

    See chapter 12 of Tanya:

    והבינוני הוא שלעולם אין הרע גובר כל כך לכבוש את העיר קטנ’ להתלבש בגוף להחטיאו דהיינו ששלש’ לבושי נפש הבהמית שהם מחשבה דבור ומעשה שמצד הקליפ’ אין גוברים בו על נפש האלהית להתלבש בגוף במוח ובפה ובשאר רמ”ח אברים להחטיאם ולטמאם ח”ו רק שלשה לבושי נפש האלהית הם לבדם מתלבשים בגוף שהם מחשבה דבור ומעשה של תרי”ג מצות התורה ולא עבר עבירה מימיו ולא יעבור לעולם ולא נקרא עליו שם רשע אפי’ שעה אחת ורגע אחד כל ימיו אך מהות ועצמות נפש האלהית שהן עשר בחינותיה לא להן לבדן המלוכה והממשלה בעיר קטנה כי אם בעתים מזומנים כמו בשעת קריאת שמע ותפלה

    #1644744

    username123321
    Participant

    @rso and @DaasYochid

    The Sukkah doesn’t have to cause Tzaar itself. It just can’t be an independent Tzaar (like thinking about dragging blankets while eating):

    שהסוכה מצערתו כגון חמה או צינה או סירחה בדברים שסיכך בהן

    Sun or cold doesn’t come from the Sukkah itself, and it Patturs one from sleeping in the Sukkah.

    The only thing is, Tzaar can’t be something that won’t stop by moving inside (like Aveilus, one’s Meis won’t come back to life if he moves outside the Sukkah). On the other hand, sleeping in the Sukkah is causing me Tzaar, since when I’ll try to sleep in the Sukkah, the Sukkah itself is constantly reminds me that I’m an Oisvarf. In the house, it’s not in my face.

    #1644768

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Care to share a synopsis?

    If I can remember it I don’t have the Sefer it’s in a shul where I daven sometimes

    #1644767

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “I”M STILL INTERESTED TO HEAR IN WHAT WAY CHABAD CHASSIDIM RESPECT THEIR REBBE MORE THEN OTHER YIDDEN RESPECT THEIR RABBONIM. ”
    “A Beinoni is someone who is in such control of himself that he never sinned and won’t sin, but has to continue fighting the Yezter Hara the whole time.”

    Seriously? That is the “proof” that we dont respect our tzaddikim and gedolim!? Because we are honest about who they are?! Did you know paroah told the mitzrim he didnt go to the bathroom and they believed that, does that mean they had even more respect for their leader?

    #1644773

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    It just can’t be an independent Tzaar (like thinking about dragging blankets while eating):

    But if I eat in my house, it’s not in my face. So you should pattur that “mitzaer” too.

    Sun or cold doesn’t come from the Sukkah itself

    Semantics. The sukkah is hot or cold or wet, the house is comfortable. So the discomfort does come from being in the sukkah.

    Also, did you address my second point about how this “heter” even l’shitoscha doesn’t apply to at least the vast majority of chasidei Chabad who don’t sleep in the sukkah?

    #1644776

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    ” “Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives…” Yes, yes, yes. BUT you can’t have kedusha IF you don’t have tznius in clothes.”

    Okay, so here’s the problem. You may not understand this but Hashem doesn’t share his “books” with us. We don’t know which humans have sinned, we don’t know which have not. How you can even have the chutzpah to think you can determine your rebbes cheshbon in shamayim by looking at him and listening to stories is a huge disrespect to Hashem Who ALONE knows the inner thoughts of us all. Period.

    Our gedolim and rabbeim are HOLY yidden, not because we think they are god, super human, or free of sin (something we would have NO way of knowing), but because they surround themselves in kedusha. Their yeshivos, offices, kehillas, speech, approach to others is filled with kedusha. And their homes are surrounded by and filled with kedusha thanks to the akeres habayis who is ALWAYS  the personification of tznius is behavior and dress.

    Did you ever meet the wives of our gedolim, did you ever read stories about them or talk to people who knew them? These women, the akeres habayis of our gedolim made sure their husbands were surrounded by kedusha. Which, as you see in the quote above above, is the souce of yiras shomayim and cannot be found where there is a lack of tznius.

    #1644861

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ Syag

    “Our gedolim and rabbeim are HOLY yidden, not because we think they are god, super human, or free of sin (something we would have NO way of knowing)”

    Beautifully written.

    And this was even true in the time of Navi’im. Shmuel HaNavi thought to anoint Dovid HaMelch’s older brother. Hashem told him that while people can see the eyes Hashem sees the heart. Later in the sefer we are made aware of his shortcomings by the war with the Plishtim when he became angry. Hindsight is 20/20.

    #1644869

    K-cup
    Participant

    Chossid:
    “This igros thing that you expect answers from the Rebbe is garbage. The Rebbe said on the friediker Rebbe that HE will find away to answer, not that YOU find him away
    to answer,”

    Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times and really do need urgent anders on a regular basis. Maybe it is a bit of a chutzpa of me, but I do try to make it a two way Street and devote myself fully to the Rebbe’s shlichus and be the Rebbe’s chossid as much as I can. So if it works, then the Rebbe is going along with it and I couldn’t be happier.

    It’s ironic, that because you live in “Olam hazeh hagashmi”, you make an extra effort to communicate with the rebbe. you don’t see the irony?

    #1644888

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times and really do need urgent anders on a regular basis.”

    k-cup, even more than the irony I find it highly unsettling that someone can need to make life altering decisions requiring urgent answers and they don’t talk to a live rav. That they are willing to depend on their own interpretation of selected passages hardly sounds responsible in “life altering ” situations.

    #1644890

    K-cup
    Participant

    Syag lchachma, agreed, although I’m sure there are live rebbe that refer chabadshlucha to the rebbe igros.
    The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.

    #1644977

    CS
    Participant

    DY:
    “Mamash avodah zarah”

    Mamash not. If I thank Moshe for saving the Jewish nation from extinction with his davening, would you say Mamash avoda zara because Hashem saved them? No. Hashem saved them in the zechus of Moshes davening so Moshe gets credit too. And we thank our Rebbe when a yeshua happens because it happened in their zechus etc. Obviously the yeshua itself comes from Hashem.

    Same here. The Rebbe pretty much vowed he would not go to gan Eden (so he would not forget about us) until he succeeds in bringing the Geula.

    The way Chabad is alive and expanding today, and more people learning Chassidus than ever etc, is due to the chayus the Rebbe is pumping into us. There is no other way to explain it. If we were just living off the Rebbe’s legacy we would be decreasing every year. And the Rebbe us certainly still urging Hashem to send the Geula and when Hashem listens to that and we see miraculous events bringing the world to that state (especially when its connected to Chabad) we can say the Rebbe is running the world the same way Torah says vayaminu baHashem uvMoshe avdoi. Eved melech melech. We have a mitzvah to honour talmidei chachamim the same way we honour Hashem etc.and rebelling against your Rebbe is rebelling against Hashem (Rambam brought as we see from Korach.)

    Because it’s not a contradiction. The more we connect to the Rebbe the more we feel Hashem is real and connect to Him even stronger.

    #1644979

    CS
    Participant

    Rso (and the follow up from syag np)
    “CS, do you really think I am stupid or do you just simply not understand?

    Me “Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives…”

    Rso: “Yes, yes, yes. BUT you can’t have kedusha IF you don’t have tznius in clothes. There may be mass murderers out there who dress in yeshivishe levush, and there may be people who dress chassidish who eat dovor acher on Yom Kippur (c”v to both). BUT if you see a group that does not dress tzniusdik then YOU KNOW that they don’t have kedusha regardless of everything else. And Lubavich is unfortunately well-known as having the lowest – and by that I mean against halacha – tznius of women in the chareidi world. (And btw, I mean it when I say “unfortunately”. It’s not something that makes me satisfied that I can use as a weapon.)”

    So to your point rso I would say that i agree with you that those dressing less than fully tznius and mixing casually etc it does show a lack of kedusha all around. So if the chassidish of Chabad did that you would have a good point. My response was that:

    A) the chassidish don’t have this problem.

    Personally, I have to schedule and notify my husband, may Hashem bless him, whenever I have a (even married) friend over because he won’t come home if she’s here, and if he is home, he stays in our room until she leaves.

    Now he might be a bit more refined than average, but with me and my friends, if my husband is hosting a mens shiur or farbrengen, I’ll also stay in the room, or go out, but if he’s having a friend over and I need something from the room, I’ll go and get it but I won’t talk to his friend.

    Now we do host shabbos meals with both genders and well both share things at the table, but we don’t schmooze with the opposite gender.

    B) as to the numbers game, people in your community dress tznius REGARDLESS of their lifestyle. Ie if they’re watching movies or worse they still look the part of a fully frum Jew (and yes that is a good thing) whereas in Chabad those who do those things, you see it reflected in their dress and behaviour, like the litvishe world. So it’s not a fair comparison.

    C) if you want to know why we don’t do the communal pressure thing so at least we should all look the part regardless of personal lifestyle, it’s because we think it results in bigger problems, namely

    C1: you throw out the baby with the bathwater. Ie you end up pushing Jews who were shomer most of the mitzvos or even all, but not up to communal standards, out of the community and very likely out of Torah observance completely.

    C2: you discourage those who struggle with whatever standard there is (let’s say no smartphone) from getting help as that would give them a bad name in the community which would then punish them or their children. This results in

    C3: a life of deception for those struggling, which obviously begets even worse issues, and a tendency to get worse instead of better.

    #1644982

    CS
    Participant

    Username thanks for the beautiful response to neville. I forgot about that part of the post. But just to add two points:

    A) you don’t bring people to truth by saying lies. Ie I’m surprised you thought that we say things just for kiruvs sake even if it’s false.

    B) you used the expression a bigger mitzvah. I would correct that because halacha is halacha regardless of personal effort. But someone who technically keeps less can be closer to Hashem by virtue of effort.

    For example, let’s say there’s a Rav who grew up in a chosheve family and was appointed Rav because
    of that and his natural studious Aidel nature. He never really pushed himself to grow in his Avodas Hashem but just did as much as he felt like doing naturally.

    Then there’s a yid born to a not frum family who started keeping Shabbos and basic kashrus. It could be he is closer to Hashem than the Rav and his mitzvos are valued more. However, I would quicker send my child for a playdate (
    with no special arrangements made) by the Ravs house than the latter precious yid because of cholov Yisrael concerns, atmosphere concerns etc because the fact that he may be on a higher spiritual level than the Rav does not change the fact that movies/ non Jewish music playing in the background are not appropriate for my child.

    #1644983

    CS
    Participant

    Kcup
    “It’s ironic, that because you live in “Olam hazeh hagashmi”, you make an extra effort to communicate with the rebbe. you don’t see the irony?”

    No I don’t. Living in the world far away from the crown heights Farbrengens and family, I feel the need for a
    stronger connection even more acutely so I don’t get bogged down by what I’m lacking here.

    #1644984

    CS
    Participant

    Syag:
    “k-cup, even more than the irony I find it highly unsettling that someone can need to make life altering decisions requiring urgent answers and they don’t talk to a live rav. That they are willing to depend on their own interpretation of selected passages hardly sounds responsible in “life altering ” situations.”

    As I have said before and I’ll say again, anything that has to do with halacha I call a Rav. This is in addition not the opposite.

    Life altering decisions can be many things, halachic and not halachic, such as where to focus my energies (teaching,’programs, best parnassa to help out my husband etc), whether to go to a certain sleep away camp for the summer, whether I should give birth at home or a hospital after doing the medical and halachic research, what should we do in our current financial situation etc etc

    #1644986

    CS
    Participant

    Kcup
    “Syag lchachma, agreed, although I’m sure there are live rebbe that refer chabadshlucha to the rebbe igros.
    The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.”

    Haven’t had that but have had Rabbanim tell me to write to the Rebbe on certain issues.

    #1644987

    CS
    Participant

    Kcup
    “The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.”

    Really not. If you’re sincere your not looking to do what you would prefer. You look to do what the right thing is. And it’s not always easy. I went to a different seminary than I the one I dreamed of for years because the letter was so clear that that was the right thing to do. It was one of the most difficult things for me to do, but looking back, it brought me many brachos and I’m so glad I did it.

    #1645004

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    we can say the Rebbe is running the world

    No, we can’t. It’s avodah zarah.

    #1645014

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Life altering decisions can be many things, halachic and not halachic, such as where to focus my energies (teaching,’programs, best parnassa to help out my husband etc), whether to go to a certain sleep away camp for the summer, whether I should give birth at home or a hospital after doing the medical and halachic research, what should we do in our current financial situation etc etc

    All if those should have a live rav, not your “own interpretation of selected passages”.

    #1645021

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    have had Rabbanim tell me to write to the Rebbe on certain issues.

    Just to be clear, that’s not the type of rav you should be asking. You should ask someone normal.

    #1645026

    RSo
    Participant

    username: “The Sukkah doesn’t have to cause Tzaar itself. It just can’t be an independent Tzaar (like thinking about dragging blankets while eating)”

    So I’m pattur from eating in the sukkah if I start thinking about the tzaar I’m going to have later if I have to shlep blankets to the sukka when I go to sleep?! Are you really saying that?

    What about if while I’m eating I think about the tzaar of shlepping blankets later on, but later on when I actually shlep the blankets I don’t really have tzaar because I’m thinking about the great meal I ate? Would I be pattur from eating because I’m thinking about sleeping but chayav to sleep because I’m thinking about eating?

    #1645027

    RSo
    Participant

    CS: “The Rebbe pretty much vowed he would not go to gan Eden…”

    There are a lot of litvaks and Satmarers out there who think that that vow was totally unnecessary…

    But seriously, when did he vow this?

    #1645028

    RSo
    Participant

    CS: “Personally, I have to schedule and notify my husband, may Hashem bless him, whenever I have a (even married) friend over…”

    VERY proper, but you’re in the tiny minority in Lubavich in that area.

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