In many respects the least modest women are the fake frum ones. If i go to Walmart, I see all the goyish ladies in their sweat pants and schmatas. Every now and then there’s one who is wearing something really alluring but mostly they look like a sloppy mess. You can usually look away from one immodest woman. The problem is when they are everywhere. And where is that? In frum neighborhoods!
The frum women wear skirts and sheer tights. I have no idea what the gentile lady’s legs look like but the frum women’s legs are there for all to see. They look less modest than gentile ladies in their pants. I was at a shiva call the other day and to my left were a whole row of ‘frum’ ladies with their legs crossed and their skirts above their knees. A few were even bouncing their legs. I felt like I was in a house of prostitution. And what about the hair. A normal human 50 year old woman has ragged middle aged hair. But not the frum woman. Her hair looks better now than it did when she was 15. I see 70 year old grandmothers with gorgeous wig hair. It’s nuts.
so one piece of advice, amazingly, you want to be around more modest women, get a job with gentiles, because the fake frum women are the worst.
All of these people are going to get gehennom. Don’t kid yourself.
I once walked up to Rabbi Miller, after a shiur, and I asked, “Do you think the woman around her are modest.” With a look of disgust on his face he said, “No.” this was in Flatbush obviously.