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Avram in MD
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Always_Ask_Questions,

“When someone is burnt out by being a merchant or a doctor, he can still work to provide parnosa to the family and, hopefully, does quality job selling or x-raying.”

Why would a teacher be any different than this?

“If he is failing, there are systems in place – competition, management that will push him out.”

Why is teaching any different? Parents and the school’s menahel can notice issues and take corrective actions.

“When you are learning or teaching (and I lumped in teaching as it is _sometimes_ a consequence of learning and not having other job prospects)”

Why do you devalue learning and teaching? Do you not think it is a worthwhile or important?

“That a learnt couple of teachers can not get their own kid out of bad situation… other people are not in the position where they are tied to a school job (evek avdut?).”

So if we were talking about a family struggling with the idea of taking their kids out of public school to put them into a frum school (very real issue on the “fringes” of the frum velt), would you not describe it as a problem with the family’s priorities? Yet wrt the teacher family struggling with the idea of taking their kids out of a poor situation to pay higher tuitions and put them into a better frum school, you frame it as a systematic issue with Torah learners instead of an issue with this specific family’s priorities? This does not seem to be fair or reasonable.

“yes, it is called a wife.”

Do kollel men or Torah teachers not have wives?

“Someone without an occupation and with peer pressure has harder time to change his ways.”

This is a cop-out. A mature adult realizes that it is his relationship with Hashem, his life, and his family that he needs to concern himself with. It’s not Torah’s fault if someone hits 40 and has never outgrown a high school mentality.

“They may have signed up out of free will, or out of community pressure. They may think it is time to change, but expectations are set and alternatives are scarce.”

See my previous comment.