n0m, cultural prishus?
I’m not sure I follow.
But I gather from what you’re referring to in general is simply chevra used to bountiful Ahavas Yisrael bileaiv vanefesh lfnim mishuras hadin, in contrast to bountiful conservative Ahavas Yisrael bilaiv venefesh, if I can put them like that.
Certainly these nuances have a profound effect.
Note: it’s important not to over broaden Chabad, since the overwhelming majority are firmly rooted in Torah, Toras Chayim and hanhagas haYahadus kipshuto, no compromises.
And to differentiate between Breslov and Chabad, one is among a chevra, and the latter flows from the Manhigus of the/a Gadol baTorah (who was ibergegeben bifrat panim bifanim yad leyad to any and every “common Yid” who presented, and sent an army of kind gentle souls for those who would’ve but didnt know of the opportunity).
ADA, by pray, do you mean what B”Y were doing to MRA”H the whole time in the midbar without once specifying “that you convene with Hashem for us”? Or because it was with chutzpa it doesn’t count but if someone did the same thing like a mentch it would become kefira?
And since when is it ok to beseech a Tzaddik to appeal to Hashem on one’s behalf after he passed, as is clear, but while he’s alive it’s a problem?
And based on what Torah do you or purported so-called Chachamim decide that if the person does the same thing, but in a concise manner ” Tzaddik I need…” and isn’t fully mefaresh up to and including “can you appeal to Hashem for me” that they suddenly become a kofer???
And at what turn of phrase do you find the nerve to imply that someone with little Emunah sichlis and overwhelming Emunah peshuta goes up to a Tzaddik and says “Rebbi I need… please help me” that suddenly you Dun them as a kofer because by this Maamin no cheshbon was made one way or another, and is essentially doing the same as the previous?
And to add further mr/mrs Emunah peshuta when asked by you if he/she was davening to the Tzaddik or asking him to petition for them, looks at you dumbfounded without a clue as to what in the over gargantuated cynicistic sichlis you are talking about, given your multiple choice self-defeating cheshbonos there were beyond the pshitus of such a Yid, as evidenced in the stupifying tone when responding with more sichlis than ever before mustered: “I davened to him to Daven to Hashem for me”, without even being sure of what they said themselves, but rather patching together a response somewhere between their initial hargasha and some disenfranchised sichlisictic brain teaser you wove!
Do we now relegate them to kofer based on the words of their lips, regardless? And how about when we check after being poisoned by your runaway sichlicism for a month, and they finally get the self-defeating question as evidenced by their reintegrating that after careful thought, yes they davened to him to Daven to Hashem for them, what have you settled there?
And was this individual tahor in the first place by your standards, but now a kofer by the same?
Or now do you want to try to pseudo-intellectually finely define what daven means without someone trying to corner you with yes or no answers?
And how on earth when you find out that Lubavitchers explicitly daven at the Kever to Hashem specifically (did you even study the Sefer in the link?) even when being mevakesh from a Tzaddik is firmly permissible, do you get so disturbed by the notion that you immediately try cornering validation of some possible concise communicator or Emunah pshuta emanator to use to validate your supposed Chachamim and write off all Chabad who by firm custom even at the Kever of their Rebbe daven only to Hashem?
And have you already forgotten what I had previously quoted:
Rabbe Yehuda haChassid c. 1200 in Sefer Chasidim #450 says:
“Uchishemivakshim meihem heim Mispalelim al hachayim”.
And again, just so it’s clear, did B”Y in the midbar say “please we any more than just mon” or did they say “sir M”R it has to come to us a need for mon regarding which we beckon your corporeal unreliable lowly humanness to consult with G-d the maker of both you and us to provide this for us, while notating to Him that he should fulfil our request and have us also not have us cast away as a heretic by our fellow lowly human think they know it all brothers and their lowly human babysitters who grossly mislead them, since in this message of His lowly human servant I have employed all the necessary verbiage to establish that ce again today also I am no heretic, that it should be known to the lowly ears of all who hear me that I not be left without a His wonderful lowly corporeal human nation, how cherished they lowly human and corporeal are, as they are to Him, to me too, his also lowly human and corporeal, and to finish most importantly with, that you who carry this prayer for me are lowly human and corporeal too!!!
There, saved from ADA and his runaway ignorant kanaus, apparenttaught to him by someone in his world heralded as a Chacham.
Hashem Yishmor!