CS: “In the first source, Rav Pappa did not even say anything! Just his presence was a force.”
Precisely my point. It was a FORCE, i.e. the person in question felt COMPELLED do what he thought was expected of him (see the gemoro there for full details) because of Rav Pappa’s presence. Even if there may have been, for the sake of argument, individuals who felt compelled by the Lubavicher rebbe, it was certainly not that way with the vast majority of Yisrael. And the Rambam’s criterion is that Mashiach will COMPEL ALL OF YISRAEL.
There have been, and probably are today, many Rabbonim who compel more people to keep Torah and Mitzvos than the Lubavicher rebbe did.
“The Rebbe said in chayei Sara 5751 that…”
You are forever quoting sichos. When will you understand that I and all others who are arguing with you don’t give any weight to what is says in a sicha because it is the Lubavicher rebbe pushing the agenda that he himself is Mashiach?
“Btw The Rebbes yichus up to the Maharal, is listed in Hayom Yom.”
Who wrote Hayom Yom? Oh. I remember now. The Lubavicher rebbe himself. What a coincidence!
“It’s ridiculous to say he made it up as Beis HaRav is well known.”
He may not have made it up, but it’s certainly not ridiculous to suspect that he did. Regardless, as I wrote above, it certainly needs verifiable proof, unless we are to accept all claims of yichus – including that weirdo who claims he was the Lubavicher rebbe’s son – as legitimate
“I’m sorry you’ve convince yourself that you can never think of The Rebbe as a tzadik. It’s ok, The Rebbe is still there for you EDITED”
I wonder whether the mods edited the end of your post because you were starting to sound suspiciously like a xian evangelical.
As to your claim that the Lubavicher rebbe continued to give life/death replies after the stroke even though he couldn’t speak, I think you’ll find that when a stroke victim can’t speak R”L it is an indication that the area of his brain dealing with communication has been affected. Therefore, where the ability to speak is lacking, the ability to communicate in any other way will also be lacking.
I’m not a medico, but that is what I was told by a professional after the Lubavicher rebbe had the first stroke, and subsequent investigation has confirmed that. So unless someone with professional medical knowledge will dispute what I have just written, I will remain highly doubtful that it was the Lubavicher rebbe himself who gave those replies.
I remember that very soon after the stroke, one of the Lubavicher rebbe’s aides/secretaries claimed that soon everything will return to normal ברוב שירה וזמרה. That claim was made in the name of the Lubavicher rebbe, and clearly it was false. So perhaps it was the same person who gave life/death replies.