You got me. I just searched for the basic writing up of the idea, mentioned I was quoting but didn’t elaborate for it’s irrelevant and for the potential animosity that could be arisen. If you’d prefer I write up the idea entirely in my own wording I can go ahead.
“The reliability of Diogenes’ sources has been questioned, even by secular scholars .”
I don’t doubt it. Every document of the ancient world is subject to such doubts as it’s clear that our idea of objective history is a more recent idea.
“The fact that Torah and lhavidl say some Greek philosopher both said a similar concept just shows that the idea resonated even in other cultures”
Agreed. These findings prove nothing completely. At their lowest, these writings show that these beliefs, wishes and praises were more widespread and were not known solely by their potential Rabbinic originator. Granting any levels more of veracity would be preferable in my eyes even if the reality is a toss-up, for the reasons I mention in my previous reply. This is not a bakasha we should be proud of. I think it’s fine to keep it around for now as we have done our due diligence and concocted an alternative for the ladies in our kehillos, and the apologetics that circulate regarding the differences in theirr terminology are satisfactory to most.
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